Jolene
Ogden,#2Author of original report
Mon, January 10, 2005
I wanted to let all of you know what is going on with our so called refund, that everyone is so curious about.
Number one, there is no refund.
Number two, I have never called GSM and asked them for a refund.
I will try to make it as short as possible.
First of all I'm sure almost all of you have read our story on Ripoffreport. But I would like to let you know briefly how GSM got that judgement on our company. I feel like I have to tell you this because, it has to due with why we lost in court.
On Sept. 10, 2001 They came in and sold us some so called consulting services. Our program was called Organization for Management. They worked at our business for 10 days, they charged us $30,000.00 for this project. We paid them $20,000.00 in that 10 day period, this was done by wire transfers, straight to GSM headquarters.
There was $10,000.00 remaining to pay when they left. We were having financial difficulties before they came in, all this was discussed with GSM headquarters before they started the project. We were told they would work with us and give us time to pay. Instead they started taking every dime that came in.
It was about 3 weeks before we received the program they sold us. When we tried to use it we found out it was not structured for our business, like they said it was, in fact, we could not even use any of it. Let me take that back, we did try to use a bid sheet that they made for us, for the 2 months while using it, we did not get any bid jobs, we finally asked some of the contractors why, they said we were three times higher than everyone else, therefore, we had to stop using it. When we found this out, I called the project director, and told him that it didn't work. He said, he could come over and alter it. (This is very important because this is one of the reasons why we lost this case) Then the collection calls started. On Nov. 16, 2001 Jim Halas, from GSM called and threatened us with legal action if we didn't make arrangments to pay the balance. This man badgered us for weeks. I had to hang up on him most of the time, because of his screaming and yelling. I also told him that the program did not work for us. He didn't seem to care, all he wanted to do was collect money. They wanted us to pay $2,000.00 a month, I told him it was our slow season, but I thought I could pay $500.00 a month, his response was, no that won't do, GSM would not except that. I told him that that was all we could pay. So, we started sending them $100.00 a week, which they must have accepted because they were cashing the checks.
Then on Janunary 3, 2002 GSM's attorney called me. He said GSM, wants more money a month. I told him at this time that the program didn't work for us and that we felt $20,000.00 was more than sufficient. He stated that he would talk to GSM, and see what they wanted to do and get back with me.
On April 23, 2002 we were served a court summons.
GSM, took us into court on July 30, 2002.
Now, I want to let you know the reasons why we lost in court. This is what the court found:
1. The court found that there was insufficient evidence to establish that the work was not satisfactory or necessary.
(Even though the Project Director himself came to court on our behalf, and told the judge that he didn't feel it was necessary. He also told the judge, that he was instructed to over bill for services on several projects)
2. The Letter of satisfaction.
( Even though we didn't even have the program at the time, to know if we were satisfied with it or not. The employees lead us to believe, that it was for the sole purpose of them getting paid. Their exact words were "Now, you have to write us a letter of satisfaction, or we don't get paid" Does that sound like it was asking if we were satisfied with the program?
We also explained this to the judge.
3. They found that the promissory notes that I signed, were valid and enforceable.
( When I signed these notes, I told the Project Director that we could not pay them. He told me, and I quote "Just sign them to make corporate happy, I will never give them the originals, so if they try to collect on them, just ask them for the originals. I will make sure you get out of paying them") This was also told to the judge by the Project Director.
4. They said, I never called the company to complain that the program didn't work.
(Now let me tell you why I didn't call "The Company." The first day the consultants came in we were told, if we had ANY problems we were absolutely NOT to call GSM headquarters, we were to talk to our Project Director, which I did. I also told Jim Halas and their attorney! So when their attorney asked me on the stand, if I had called" the company" to complain, I was honest and said no. I explained all this to the judge.
Now, I want to tell you that when I was up on the witness stand testifying, I was constantly looking over at the judge, not one time did he even look up, he just kept shuffling papers. They weren't even my papers! To tell you the truth, I don't think he even listened to the case. There was no witnesses on there side to even refute any of our evidence. Another reason I don't think he listened, is because, he did not rule on our case that day. He took that worthless binder back in chambers and sent us his reply about a month later. I don't know what kind of information he could of got out of that binder. The binder is about 2 inches thick. Two thirds of the papers in that binder are our own forms that we had at our office before GSM even came in. For example, our truck log, time sheets, company policies, etc...
So, the court found in favor or GSM, they won a judgment on our company in the amount of $25,217.00 for the promissory notes
(With interest) And another $4,180.00 in attorneys fees. This will continue to acure intrest until paid. And anytime they have their attorney do anything, they charge us for that.
Alot of people ask me about an appeal, well I'll tell you why we couldn't appeal. Our attorney wanted an additional $6,500.00 which we did not have. GSM just drained everything we had. We had already paid our attorney $7,700.00 we had to take out on a credit card just to pay him.
Then on May 18, 2004 GSM took us back into court on a supplemental order (That is were you go in and let them know what assets you have) they got nowhere with this, because our company doesn't have any assets.
At this time we knew nothing about GSM, we left court feeling defeated. My Aunt suggested we look them up on the internet, it didn't take long before we found several sites with information about them.
On 6/7/04 we put our story on Ripoffreport.
Now I want to tell you about the so called refund, we have never contacted GSM to ask for a refund, they contacted us:
On 6-16-04 we were contacted by Charles Black he told us he was the Vice President of Operations, at GSM. He said, we had just hit the lottery, that they wanted to vacate the judgment on our company. I was sceptical, but hopeful that he was telling the truth.
He said, he was just looking in our file and found out we were not happy. He explained, that they would vacate the judgment IF we would let them come back into our business. He said, he wanted to send someone of his choice to our business. I told him, I would have to discuss it with my husband and get back with him. ( I also asked him at this time if the reason he was calling me was that he had read our letter on Ripoffreport. He told me he hasn't read anything on the internet)
On 6-18-04 I called Charles Black and asked him if he would send me his terms in writing.
He faxed me a letter that said this:
As a result of our discussions with you on Wednesday I propose to resolve any and all issues with Ogden Subzero with the following terms:
The GSMIC forgives all money due as a result of notes or court judgments......IF.....Ogden Subzero accepts additional work from GSM on a non-billable basis for both fees and expenses. If this is agreeable to you, we will set up a time for a Staff Executive to visit you business to provide consulting services.
At this point we were very sceptical, so we consulted with our attorney.
Sometime between 6-18-04 & 6-21-04 we had another conversation with Charles Black, He told us that he wanted to make us happy. So I told him what would make us happy is they vacate the judgment and give us a refund. He said, the refund would never happen. We started to argue, so I handed the phone to my husband. Even though the desire to get this all behind us and to get back our excellant credit and relieve the stress all this has put on us, was almost overwelming to say the least. My husband told him that we did not want them coming back in our business. Charles Black respones was, thats fine, that would save me the money of sending somebody out there. Then somehow the conversation got back to them coming back in. My husband told him he would discuss it with me and get back with him.
On 6-21-04 We recevied a call from Charles Black, He said that he had read a letter on the internet that said some bad things about GSM, (It was not any of our letters) he said it was a letter from someone we had been talking to. Anyway, he told me that we had better be careful who we were talking to. He also said, that they were not going to do anything until they saw something on our part. (they wanted us to take our story off the internet) He said they were going to take back there offer.
During our conversation with Charles Black on 6-18-04 he asked us what would make us happy and what were we willing to do about our letters on the internet. At this time we no longer wanted to deal with Charles Black, So on 6-30-04 we sent a letter to the president of GSM, Isreal Kushnir. So we could let them know our answer to their questions.
Our attorney has the letter, but it went something like this:
Isreal Kushnir,
I'm sure you have heard of our company by now, we would like to inform you that your representative Charles Black has resorted to a most disgraceful dialog that no company should have to put up with. I certainly hope a firm such as yours does not authorize his intimidation tactics.
What is becoming clear in our research of your firm is our plight in not uncommon from that of countless others. Mr. Black offered that GSM vacate it's judgment if we simply went away.Wellas you know that is not satisfactory in that it does not address our loses
on a system that your form 56 said would be customized to our operation it was not, form 56 stated we would be trained in its usage we were not, the form 56 forced us to give a letter of satisfaction before your system was even delivered to us even in its non workable formfor our application. This is irrefutable, so to respond to Mr. Blacks offer we propose GSMIC vacate the judgment and give us a full refund. We will take our letter off the internet and refer any comments to your company.
Ogden Subzero
On 7-9-04 I called Isreal Kushnir, The first thing he said to me was, "I want to come out of this as friends, but legally we got ya!"
I proceeded to tell him how their program didn't work for us and how we would never be able to utilize it. I told him it was not taylor made to our business.
I asked him, don't you think it looks kind of funny that the only numbers they used of ours was our accounts receiveable, and accounts payable, all the other numbers that make the program look so good were fictitious. He then told me that we have been blaming everybody (GSM & our attorney) for the problems in our business, and that we should look in the mirror. He also said what we were doing was blackmail. I asked him if telling our story was blackmail? I also told him that this program was to complicated and that I didn't know any small business that could make their type of program work. And if their consultants knew anything about running a small business, like they told us they did, they should of turned around and left. I told him the consultants spent one hole day training us on profit sharing! How many small mom and pop businesses, with 4 employees do you know of that can profit share! Then he got angry and told me he was a very busy man and that if we kept doing what we were doing , we would be talking to our attorney. Then he brought up the letter of satisfaction. He said, " Well, you wrote the letter of satisfaction" I proceeded to tell him how they mislead people with that letter. I told him that his employees lead us to believe that that letter was for the sole purpose of them getting paid. At this time he said, I gave you our offer. He told me they would vacate the judgment and maybe give a parcel refund, but not a full refund depending on what they found. He said he wanted to "hand pick" the best man he had to come to our business. I again told him that we did not want them to come back in, but I would discuss it with my husband .
But instead of them taking our letter in answer to their questions they also used it against us. About a week after our conversation with Isreal Kushnir, We received a letter from their attorney (our attorney has it) it said:
As per your conversation with Isreal Kushnir, on 7-9-04, you did not mention anything about the program not working for you , only that it was to complicated. What you are doing is blackmail and extortion. and that they would go ahead and continue to collect on the judgment. And that they wanted us to send a written apology to GSM.
So as you can see, GSM will take everything you say and turn it around in there favor. As alot of you know, they served us with a Writ of Execution on 12/14/04 and came to our business and took one of our company trucks. They continue to come after us, and I'm sure there not through. They will not be happy until they finish their job, of putting us out of business. We are about there now.
We don't blame GSM for all our business problems. However, having them come in our business, was by far, the worst business decission we have ever made.
I still talk to 2 of the consultants that were in my business. The project director that was here, is a failed business man several times over, has 10 kids, drives a rattle trap car and lives in an apartment in Salt Lake City, and is unemployed (last time we talked to him. we were told he was a Harvard graduate)
The other one, the only experiance he had, was he managed several convenience stores.
And the other one lives in Mexico.
This is who GSM sent in to teach us how to run our Business!. (PATHETIC ISN"T IT)
Jolene
Ogden,#3Author of original report
Mon, January 10, 2005
I wanted to let all of you know what is going on with our so called refund, that everyone is so curious about.
Number one, there is no refund.
Number two, I have never called GSM and asked them for a refund.
I will try to make it as short as possible.
First of all I'm sure almost all of you have read our story on Ripoffreport. But I would like to let you know briefly how GSM got that judgement on our company. I feel like I have to tell you this because, it has to due with why we lost in court.
On Sept. 10, 2001 They came in and sold us some so called consulting services. Our program was called Organization for Management. They worked at our business for 10 days, they charged us $30,000.00 for this project. We paid them $20,000.00 in that 10 day period, this was done by wire transfers, straight to GSM headquarters.
There was $10,000.00 remaining to pay when they left. We were having financial difficulties before they came in, all this was discussed with GSM headquarters before they started the project. We were told they would work with us and give us time to pay. Instead they started taking every dime that came in.
It was about 3 weeks before we received the program they sold us. When we tried to use it we found out it was not structured for our business, like they said it was, in fact, we could not even use any of it. Let me take that back, we did try to use a bid sheet that they made for us, for the 2 months while using it, we did not get any bid jobs, we finally asked some of the contractors why, they said we were three times higher than everyone else, therefore, we had to stop using it. When we found this out, I called the project director, and told him that it didn't work. He said, he could come over and alter it. (This is very important because this is one of the reasons why we lost this case) Then the collection calls started. On Nov. 16, 2001 Jim Halas, from GSM called and threatened us with legal action if we didn't make arrangments to pay the balance. This man badgered us for weeks. I had to hang up on him most of the time, because of his screaming and yelling. I also told him that the program did not work for us. He didn't seem to care, all he wanted to do was collect money. They wanted us to pay $2,000.00 a month, I told him it was our slow season, but I thought I could pay $500.00 a month, his response was, no that won't do, GSM would not except that. I told him that that was all we could pay. So, we started sending them $100.00 a week, which they must have accepted because they were cashing the checks.
Then on Janunary 3, 2002 GSM's attorney called me. He said GSM, wants more money a month. I told him at this time that the program didn't work for us and that we felt $20,000.00 was more than sufficient. He stated that he would talk to GSM, and see what they wanted to do and get back with me.
On April 23, 2002 we were served a court summons.
GSM, took us into court on July 30, 2002.
Now, I want to let you know the reasons why we lost in court. This is what the court found:
1. The court found that there was insufficient evidence to establish that the work was not satisfactory or necessary.
(Even though the Project Director himself came to court on our behalf, and told the judge that he didn't feel it was necessary. He also told the judge, that he was instructed to over bill for services on several projects)
2. The Letter of satisfaction.
( Even though we didn't even have the program at the time, to know if we were satisfied with it or not. The employees lead us to believe, that it was for the sole purpose of them getting paid. Their exact words were "Now, you have to write us a letter of satisfaction, or we don't get paid" Does that sound like it was asking if we were satisfied with the program?
We also explained this to the judge.
3. They found that the promissory notes that I signed, were valid and enforceable.
( When I signed these notes, I told the Project Director that we could not pay them. He told me, and I quote "Just sign them to make corporate happy, I will never give them the originals, so if they try to collect on them, just ask them for the originals. I will make sure you get out of paying them") This was also told to the judge by the Project Director.
4. They said, I never called the company to complain that the program didn't work.
(Now let me tell you why I didn't call "The Company." The first day the consultants came in we were told, if we had ANY problems we were absolutely NOT to call GSM headquarters, we were to talk to our Project Director, which I did. I also told Jim Halas and their attorney! So when their attorney asked me on the stand, if I had called" the company" to complain, I was honest and said no. I explained all this to the judge.
Now, I want to tell you that when I was up on the witness stand testifying, I was constantly looking over at the judge, not one time did he even look up, he just kept shuffling papers. They weren't even my papers! To tell you the truth, I don't think he even listened to the case. There was no witnesses on there side to even refute any of our evidence. Another reason I don't think he listened, is because, he did not rule on our case that day. He took that worthless binder back in chambers and sent us his reply about a month later. I don't know what kind of information he could of got out of that binder. The binder is about 2 inches thick. Two thirds of the papers in that binder are our own forms that we had at our office before GSM even came in. For example, our truck log, time sheets, company policies, etc...
So, the court found in favor or GSM, they won a judgment on our company in the amount of $25,217.00 for the promissory notes
(With interest) And another $4,180.00 in attorneys fees. This will continue to acure intrest until paid. And anytime they have their attorney do anything, they charge us for that.
Alot of people ask me about an appeal, well I'll tell you why we couldn't appeal. Our attorney wanted an additional $6,500.00 which we did not have. GSM just drained everything we had. We had already paid our attorney $7,700.00 we had to take out on a credit card just to pay him.
Then on May 18, 2004 GSM took us back into court on a supplemental order (That is were you go in and let them know what assets you have) they got nowhere with this, because our company doesn't have any assets.
At this time we knew nothing about GSM, we left court feeling defeated. My Aunt suggested we look them up on the internet, it didn't take long before we found several sites with information about them.
On 6/7/04 we put our story on Ripoffreport.
Now I want to tell you about the so called refund, we have never contacted GSM to ask for a refund, they contacted us:
On 6-16-04 we were contacted by Charles Black he told us he was the Vice President of Operations, at GSM. He said, we had just hit the lottery, that they wanted to vacate the judgment on our company. I was sceptical, but hopeful that he was telling the truth.
He said, he was just looking in our file and found out we were not happy. He explained, that they would vacate the judgment IF we would let them come back into our business. He said, he wanted to send someone of his choice to our business. I told him, I would have to discuss it with my husband and get back with him. ( I also asked him at this time if the reason he was calling me was that he had read our letter on Ripoffreport. He told me he hasn't read anything on the internet)
On 6-18-04 I called Charles Black and asked him if he would send me his terms in writing.
He faxed me a letter that said this:
As a result of our discussions with you on Wednesday I propose to resolve any and all issues with Ogden Subzero with the following terms:
The GSMIC forgives all money due as a result of notes or court judgments......IF.....Ogden Subzero accepts additional work from GSM on a non-billable basis for both fees and expenses. If this is agreeable to you, we will set up a time for a Staff Executive to visit you business to provide consulting services.
At this point we were very sceptical, so we consulted with our attorney.
Sometime between 6-18-04 & 6-21-04 we had another conversation with Charles Black, He told us that he wanted to make us happy. So I told him what would make us happy is they vacate the judgment and give us a refund. He said, the refund would never happen. We started to argue, so I handed the phone to my husband. Even though the desire to get this all behind us and to get back our excellant credit and relieve the stress all this has put on us, was almost overwelming to say the least. My husband told him that we did not want them coming back in our business. Charles Black respones was, thats fine, that would save me the money of sending somebody out there. Then somehow the conversation got back to them coming back in. My husband told him he would discuss it with me and get back with him.
On 6-21-04 We recevied a call from Charles Black, He said that he had read a letter on the internet that said some bad things about GSM, (It was not any of our letters) he said it was a letter from someone we had been talking to. Anyway, he told me that we had better be careful who we were talking to. He also said, that they were not going to do anything until they saw something on our part. (they wanted us to take our story off the internet) He said they were going to take back there offer.
During our conversation with Charles Black on 6-18-04 he asked us what would make us happy and what were we willing to do about our letters on the internet. At this time we no longer wanted to deal with Charles Black, So on 6-30-04 we sent a letter to the president of GSM, Isreal Kushnir. So we could let them know our answer to their questions.
Our attorney has the letter, but it went something like this:
Isreal Kushnir,
I'm sure you have heard of our company by now, we would like to inform you that your representative Charles Black has resorted to a most disgraceful dialog that no company should have to put up with. I certainly hope a firm such as yours does not authorize his intimidation tactics.
What is becoming clear in our research of your firm is our plight in not uncommon from that of countless others. Mr. Black offered that GSM vacate it's judgment if we simply went away.Wellas you know that is not satisfactory in that it does not address our loses
on a system that your form 56 said would be customized to our operation it was not, form 56 stated we would be trained in its usage we were not, the form 56 forced us to give a letter of satisfaction before your system was even delivered to us even in its non workable formfor our application. This is irrefutable, so to respond to Mr. Blacks offer we propose GSMIC vacate the judgment and give us a full refund. We will take our letter off the internet and refer any comments to your company.
Ogden Subzero
On 7-9-04 I called Isreal Kushnir, The first thing he said to me was, "I want to come out of this as friends, but legally we got ya!"
I proceeded to tell him how their program didn't work for us and how we would never be able to utilize it. I told him it was not taylor made to our business.
I asked him, don't you think it looks kind of funny that the only numbers they used of ours was our accounts receiveable, and accounts payable, all the other numbers that make the program look so good were fictitious. He then told me that we have been blaming everybody (GSM & our attorney) for the problems in our business, and that we should look in the mirror. He also said what we were doing was blackmail. I asked him if telling our story was blackmail? I also told him that this program was to complicated and that I didn't know any small business that could make their type of program work. And if their consultants knew anything about running a small business, like they told us they did, they should of turned around and left. I told him the consultants spent one hole day training us on profit sharing! How many small mom and pop businesses, with 4 employees do you know of that can profit share! Then he got angry and told me he was a very busy man and that if we kept doing what we were doing , we would be talking to our attorney. Then he brought up the letter of satisfaction. He said, " Well, you wrote the letter of satisfaction" I proceeded to tell him how they mislead people with that letter. I told him that his employees lead us to believe that that letter was for the sole purpose of them getting paid. At this time he said, I gave you our offer. He told me they would vacate the judgment and maybe give a parcel refund, but not a full refund depending on what they found. He said he wanted to "hand pick" the best man he had to come to our business. I again told him that we did not want them to come back in, but I would discuss it with my husband .
But instead of them taking our letter in answer to their questions they also used it against us. About a week after our conversation with Isreal Kushnir, We received a letter from their attorney (our attorney has it) it said:
As per your conversation with Isreal Kushnir, on 7-9-04, you did not mention anything about the program not working for you , only that it was to complicated. What you are doing is blackmail and extortion. and that they would go ahead and continue to collect on the judgment. And that they wanted us to send a written apology to GSM.
So as you can see, GSM will take everything you say and turn it around in there favor. As alot of you know, they served us with a Writ of Execution on 12/14/04 and came to our business and took one of our company trucks. They continue to come after us, and I'm sure there not through. They will not be happy until they finish their job, of putting us out of business. We are about there now.
We don't blame GSM for all our business problems. However, having them come in our business, was by far, the worst business decission we have ever made.
I still talk to 2 of the consultants that were in my business. The project director that was here, is a failed business man several times over, has 10 kids, drives a rattle trap car and lives in an apartment in Salt Lake City, and is unemployed (last time we talked to him. we were told he was a Harvard graduate)
The other one, the only experiance he had, was he managed several convenience stores.
And the other one lives in Mexico.
This is who GSM sent in to teach us how to run our Business!. (PATHETIC ISN"T IT)
Kevin
Rome,#4UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, November 06, 2004
The unethical practices of GSMI have been going on for years in Italy mainly due to the financial desperation and blindness of small and medium size businesses who put their trust and hard earned cash into worthless preprinted procedures.
If in doubt do not sign anything, contact your lawyer or call the police if GSMI personnel do not leave your premises at your request.
Having contested and rejected its operational methods to "condition" the client I was down graded from project director and forced out of the company.
CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
Jolene
Ogden,#5Author of original report
Mon, June 28, 2004
We would like to let all present, past and future employees of GSMIC know what we witnessed during a consulting project done at our businesss.
GSMIC corporate headquarters had our consultants on the phone constantly screaming, yelling and belittling them. After the consultants got off of the phone it was like they would coward down and succumb to a state of a abused child. They would bow their head and tell us that corporate headquarters was demanding that they get more money.
Upon selling the job and entering your business, it is very clear that the program to which you have just authorized to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars for is of little or no concern. GSMIC's primary concern is collecting their money.
Not one of the representatives at corporate headquarters would dare to treat or speak to their customers the way that they expect their employees to.
At the end of the project you are forced to write a letter of satisfaction to which you believe is for the sole purpose of letting GSMIC know what a good job their employees did. Our consultants lead us to believe that if we did not write a satisfactory letter then none of them would be paid. Therefore, we wrote them a letter of satisfaction.
Only after we received the disks containing our accounting program weeks latter and we realized that it was of no value to our company did we realize what the letter of satisfaction was REALLY used for. As you can see it was just one more way GSMIC used its employees to do its dirty work.
In our opinion any future employees looking to find employment at GSMIC be aware of their dishonest and unethical business practices.
We feel sorry for the way that most of the employees at GSMIC were treated.
We have received many letters and phone calls from our first letter. So keep them coming.
Ogden Subzero Refrigeration, Inc.
Rick or Jolene Marker
Phone: (801) 334-6334
Fax: (801) 334-4070
and post your Rip-off Report on this site!
Chet
Los Angeles,#6UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, June 12, 2004
For some reason this web site does not list all the reports even when you search.
PLEASE read and respond to
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff93983.htm the owner of the company is a very nice lady who wants to stop this company cold. They want you to call and show your support!
That report is a PRIME example of WHY not to give this company ANY letter of Satisfaction. They gave the company the letter of satisfaction demanded in the contract before the project was even installed. IT DID NOT WORK! When the client could not pay for the bogus program the Consultant company took them to court! But when the judge saw the letter he had to judge in FAVOR of the SCAM Artests! MAKES YOU SICK to even think about.
VIVA LA RIP OFF REPORT!
Chet
Los Angeles,#7UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, June 12, 2004
For some reason this web site does not list all the reports even when you search.
PLEASE read and respond to
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff93983.htm the owner of the company is a very nice lady who wants to stop this company cold. They want you to call and show your support!
That report is a PRIME example of WHY not to give this company ANY letter of Satisfaction. They gave the company the letter of satisfaction demanded in the contract before the project was even installed. IT DID NOT WORK! When the client could not pay for the bogus program the Consultant company took them to court! But when the judge saw the letter he had to judge in FAVOR of the SCAM Artests! MAKES YOU SICK to even think about.
VIVA LA RIP OFF REPORT!
Chet
Los Angeles,#8UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, June 12, 2004
For some reason this web site does not list all the reports even when you search.
PLEASE read and respond to
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff93983.htm the owner of the company is a very nice lady who wants to stop this company cold. They want you to call and show your support!
That report is a PRIME example of WHY not to give this company ANY letter of Satisfaction. They gave the company the letter of satisfaction demanded in the contract before the project was even installed. IT DID NOT WORK! When the client could not pay for the bogus program the Consultant company took them to court! But when the judge saw the letter he had to judge in FAVOR of the SCAM Artests! MAKES YOU SICK to even think about.
VIVA LA RIP OFF REPORT!
Chet
Los Angeles,#9UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, June 12, 2004
For some reason this web site does not list all the reports even when you search.
PLEASE read and respond to
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff93983.htm the owner of the company is a very nice lady who wants to stop this company cold. They want you to call and show your support!
That report is a PRIME example of WHY not to give this company ANY letter of Satisfaction. They gave the company the letter of satisfaction demanded in the contract before the project was even installed. IT DID NOT WORK! When the client could not pay for the bogus program the Consultant company took them to court! But when the judge saw the letter he had to judge in FAVOR of the SCAM Artests! MAKES YOU SICK to even think about.
VIVA LA RIP OFF REPORT!
Garry
Los Angeles,#10UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, June 12, 2004
Now forgive me if I am wrong but I thought everyone working for this company had a 500,000 bond? If the project director or any of the consultants talked to your banker that may have violated the bond.
Also noting that the company has a guarantee they sould even with the judgment have to honor the guarantee and come back and fix the problems with their work.
Chet
Los Angeles,#11UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, June 12, 2004
Thank you RIP OFF Report! I KNOW for a fact this company shut down a web site and forced a news group off the net for what? TELLING the TRUTH!
The new url for the group is
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/consultantinfo/
And another forum is
http://pub12.bravenet.com/forum/955547142/show/293106
Another is
http://www.papersourceonline.com/discus/messages/1650/11573.html?1085015484
Please RIP OFF Report help get the word out this MUST BE STOPPED!
For those I signed up, I am sorry!
Ariel
Paris,#12UPDATE EX-employee responds
Tue, June 08, 2004
It is incredible that this keeps happening over and over again.
It is a simple thing to prevent. There are starting to be a lot of resources out there to fight the likes of the George S. May International Company, IBA/IPA, etc.
Do not sign an Agreement, DO NOT GIVE A LETTER, and if the Staff insists ASK THEM TO LEAVE IN WRITING. Specify they have done a horrible job, and that you are not satisfied. Better yet, get your lawyer to draft a letter saying the above.
They may still refuse to leave. Simply call the police. And go on with your life!
Scott
Atlanta,#13UPDATE Employee
Tue, June 08, 2004
I feel your pain Jolene. I am an employee of george S. May and I have experienced dozens of scenarios just like yours over and over.
George S. May is nothing more than a pyramid business designed to capture as much available cash and credit from each client as quickly as possible before the client ralizes there is really little or no value from what the Consultants are doing.
GSMIC runs up the bills then forces the staff to "strong arm " the client intopaying as much as they can get, any way they can.They routinely threaten and coerice staff as well as clients.
They keep employees on a treadmill so once you get hooked up it is virtually impossible for anyone who needs the weekly paycheck to get free of them. They keep you on the road constantly. You never know when or where you are going or when you will be back.
They hold back thousands of dollars in expenses that the employee puts on personal credit cards for weeks in order to use that as leverage to get the employees to keeo doing their business because if you quit they will keep the money.
This company has no shread of ethics and are the worst kind of used car sales trash!!!!
I would love to be part of a class action lawsuit that puts them under!!!!