Jeanette
Moncks Corner,#2Author of original report
Wed, August 27, 2008
Janice, It sounds like you stumbled across the one and perhaps only office with decent managment. Too bad that is not more common. As far as your cousin goes......the only reason she hasn't been charged a chargeback is due to the fact that she still works for them. If she were to leave, considering you put she made more than $100,000 the first year ( if I read correctly ), then that roughly how much she would owe if she were to leave.
Janice P
Bayonne,#3Consumer Comment
Sat, August 16, 2008
The only regret I have about my interview/contract with Cornerstone is that my husband got transfered before I finished by field training to a state that does not provide this product. I was contacted via email and I replied mainly out of curiosity. I have experience in filing claims and I found that this company pays what it says it pays. I worked in an oncology office before my sons were born and I have actually had a patient survive because of this company's cancer policy being without restrictive limits. When I received the email I called the office number and spoke with a young lady about the position. I asked her question after question and she provided solid answers in a polite manner. When I scheduled she told me there would be a group of individuals with me for the first portion, and truth be told I loved that format. I got to hear everyone's questions and receive the answers. They spoke to me one on one after that. The first thing they sais was this is not for everyone and some people will try and fail while others succeed. They told us prime work hours were the evenings and Saturday afternoons when folks are home. That is common sense people, you can't call a lead or a contact when they are more than likely working. They also told us they provide leads but we need to self market as well. They told me I would not receive an A list lead until I produced one sale on my own and that was incredibly fair. The gentleman conducting the interview told us that getting started in this business could cost us between $200-$500 dollars depending on which licensing method I chose, internet or classroom. I was offered a space to join, out of 20 they contracted five of us, myself and my cousin as well. The young lady that took my reservation produced a detailed list of fees and put in writing that those were the only ones I'd be required to incur on my behalf. She spent over an hour going over the contracts in detail, explaining paragraph by paragraph to make sure I understood. I paid the initial fee up front and did the online course. I finished in ten days. I took my classroom training and the manager running the meeting taught the paperwork, did some role playing, etc He never once mentioned anything about making tons of money in the training session. My cousin still is working there and has never been issued a charge back. She made over $100,000 in her first year in commissions. I have a friend living in California that contracted with COrnerstone that feels just the way the original poster feels. OUr experience were completely different. I was charged for application fee only $250 while she was charged over $300. Everyone in the company is independently contract, thus the sales offices are operated it seems as francises, they each have their own set of rules. Those of you considering joining in California, be cautious, but those in Texas...be lucky they contacted you. I missed out on this opportunity and I regret that. Don't rule this option out because of some unscrupulous folks, they are everywhere, in any company and as in any company not everyone is like that. THe experience is unique to the area, do your own investigating for therein lies the truth. JP
Jeanette
Moncks Corner,#4Author of original report
Mon, August 11, 2008
Here is my way of dealing with this debt, also known as paying back your "advance" commissions, as in commissions paid before knowing if your clients will renew a second year, in which case, you actually get to keep your commissions. I have been advised by an attorney that has dealt with many of their cases that I have two options...either find others who can verify my story ( being lied to, not receiving a copy of my contract, not knowing what I was signing, etc... ) which will take time and sue them (or) ignore the bastards. The worst that will happen is it will ruin my credit for 7 years ( and after my divorce, my credit isn't so hot anyway ), in which time, Cornerstone America will attempt to collect on the debt from my DSL....which is a form of justice, considering he was the one who lied to me in the first place. Did you know that? Once you leave, any unpaid debt is then transferred to your DSL and taken out of his stock, backend pay, etc... down the line. I bet most of them don't either. ( evil grin ) My advice is to negotiate a settlement if possible just to get rid of them, but if you can't afford it, change your phone number and address and move on with your life. Good luck to you.
Dr Chuck
Bellevue,#5UPDATE EX-employee responds
Wed, August 06, 2008
Jeanette, I see that I am not alone having trouble with UGA. After almost a year and half has past since I was employed with them and now they start calling me that I owe them over $7000 in advances. I cannot believe it. I did not expect this or know about it. What can I do about this? I too did not receive a copy of my contract and was told that my advance would be covered by company stock and future commissions should I leave the company. Chuck
Exmegaagentatyahoodotcom
Tucson,#6UPDATE EX-employee responds
Tue, February 19, 2008
Life After Mega--How Sweet It IS!!! So you want to know where all the top Mega Life, Cornerstone and United American agents are migrating to? Ask me at (((ROR REDACTED)))(without the spaces of course). I make over $1,000 a day net profit, selling 2-7 applications every single day, with top commissions, no driving, cash lead credits, 100% web-based and done over the phone. I represent all the A-rated carriers in 12 states, provide my clients with the best Major Medical Health Insurance, and have current Million Dollar Mentors teaching me exactly how to make the transition from belly to belly sales to the place where statistics show 90% of all health insurance sales will be by 2010: online and on the phone! I joined the absolute best organization with over 4000 independent agents nationwide. We are no longer captive agents and our lives have been permanently changed. And we wouldn't be sticking around if it wasn't the greatest thing EVER. How many brokers did you meet in your Mega training class? None of course. For a reason: they didn't want anyone in there that actually understood how bad they were being screwed for one, and secondly, no decent broker with half a brain would ever leave an independent position. And get this: I don't even make outgoing prospecting calls anymore. My future clients call ME. That's right, I sit by the pool, next my computer, waiting for the 6-8 calls a day that are going to make me four times the commissions I made at Mega. Boy that Koolaid was really good, wasn't it? Anyone want to buy my Million Dollar Ring or my wife's UGA pendant? Thank God I didn't stick around for the grandfather clock! Just drop me a line at (((ROR REDACTED)))for details. I bet they wiped that one out but not the one above.... Gotta stay one step ahead of these guys. If you don't at least call me from a blocked number and hear what I have to share with you, why not just stick your head in the sand? All contacts will be kept in the strictest of confidence. (I get it--I was exactly where you are now just a few months ago, with the same fears and dreams of finding a better way--and I found it!). Sincerely, CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
X. Agent
Tucson,#7UPDATE EX-employee responds
Thu, February 07, 2008
Everything you said is absolutely correct. Let's add one more to the list. If you have any experience selling health insurance, especially if you were a captive agent, then you should become an independent broker and work with an IMO who can provide you with internet marketing tools, training, mentoring, and a wide product selection with top commissions. If you would like to learn more about that, and could use help planning an exit strategy, let me know. My email address is (((ROR REDACTED))). Sincerely, An Ex-Mega Agent CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
David
Charlotte,#8UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, August 11, 2007
I notice that another agent has referenced Messer Financial Group as a great place to do business. I can tell you that as a former NASE agent, this is very much the case. Now I'd like to invite you to join us at Messer and find out just how great the world of insurance can be for both yourself and your clients. We can offer you contracts on almost all of the major medical carrier's operating in both states. We are constantly conducting training sessions so that you are fully versed in the products and how to present them. Better still, you own your business from day one! We are dedicated to the truly "independent agent". By making use of our products, systems and services you are in position to advise clients as to the possiblities available to them.......not shove a plan at them. There isn't enough room here to explain all that we can offer you. So let me invite you to contact me via email at: [email protected] or give me a call at 704-568-9649; ext 21. Do like myself and many many other NASE agents have done; turned from the dark side and into the light!
David
Charlotte,#9UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, August 11, 2007
I notice that another agent has referenced Messer Financial Group as a great place to do business. I can tell you that as a former NASE agent, this is very much the case. Now I'd like to invite you to join us at Messer and find out just how great the world of insurance can be for both yourself and your clients. We can offer you contracts on almost all of the major medical carrier's operating in both states. We are constantly conducting training sessions so that you are fully versed in the products and how to present them. Better still, you own your business from day one! We are dedicated to the truly "independent agent". By making use of our products, systems and services you are in position to advise clients as to the possiblities available to them.......not shove a plan at them. There isn't enough room here to explain all that we can offer you. So let me invite you to contact me via email at: [email protected] or give me a call at 704-568-9649; ext 21. Do like myself and many many other NASE agents have done; turned from the dark side and into the light!
David
Charlotte,#10UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, August 11, 2007
I notice that another agent has referenced Messer Financial Group as a great place to do business. I can tell you that as a former NASE agent, this is very much the case. Now I'd like to invite you to join us at Messer and find out just how great the world of insurance can be for both yourself and your clients. We can offer you contracts on almost all of the major medical carrier's operating in both states. We are constantly conducting training sessions so that you are fully versed in the products and how to present them. Better still, you own your business from day one! We are dedicated to the truly "independent agent". By making use of our products, systems and services you are in position to advise clients as to the possiblities available to them.......not shove a plan at them. There isn't enough room here to explain all that we can offer you. So let me invite you to contact me via email at: [email protected] or give me a call at 704-568-9649; ext 21. Do like myself and many many other NASE agents have done; turned from the dark side and into the light!
David
Charlotte,#11UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, August 11, 2007
I notice that another agent has referenced Messer Financial Group as a great place to do business. I can tell you that as a former NASE agent, this is very much the case. Now I'd like to invite you to join us at Messer and find out just how great the world of insurance can be for both yourself and your clients. We can offer you contracts on almost all of the major medical carrier's operating in both states. We are constantly conducting training sessions so that you are fully versed in the products and how to present them. Better still, you own your business from day one! We are dedicated to the truly "independent agent". By making use of our products, systems and services you are in position to advise clients as to the possiblities available to them.......not shove a plan at them. There isn't enough room here to explain all that we can offer you. So let me invite you to contact me via email at: [email protected] or give me a call at 704-568-9649; ext 21. Do like myself and many many other NASE agents have done; turned from the dark side and into the light!
Bryan
San Dimas,#12UPDATE EX-employee responds
Sat, August 11, 2007
the company spends alot of serious time pushing the idea that there products are the best in the market. In order to run an efficent buisness your agents have to beleave this to push there product, and be ignorant to all the other policies on the marketplace. This is a great company to own, and have stock in, thats why they are no longer publicly traded, and will be sold by blackstone for a huge profit in a couple of years. the company want tens of thousands of dollars, from me after working for them for over two years. after i was told the same thing as everyone, that my stock and my clients on the books would cover my backend, The biggest scammer in the company that i came across is john reed and his wife gloria, these people act like there are very noble, reliogous people that will only due what is right for people. The sad part is john is just a front for the office, it is actually ran by gloria, his mail ordeded wife. who tells her small husband when to breath and when he can pee. it just sad that ron jensons dream didnt last past his dealth.
Sherry
Greensboro,#13UPDATE EX-employee responds
Wed, August 01, 2007
I can certainly agree with the reports on NASE/Mega Life & Health. HUGE RIP OFF Truth is it will take a new insurance agent up to 2 years to find where he/she belongs in the insurance world. There are so many avenues to take. The key is not to be captive to any one company. I found Messer Financial Group in Charlotte NC many years ago. In my opinion, this is the best home for the independent agent. The agency support is outstanding! Because I represent every health insurance company in our state of North Carolina, the client decides which plan benefits and most importantly which insurance company they want. I like that I can make one phone call to Messer and ask who has the best maternity coverage in our state or who has the best HIPPA plan available or where should I place a diabetic who is on the pill. Don't give up on insurance sales just because of one bad apple. You are smart enough to read policies and get out of a bad situation and associate youself with an agency who looks out for you, the independent agent. Sail On Sales Sherry
Jeanette
Moncks Corner,#14Author of original report
Sun, July 22, 2007
I want to keep anyone looking to work for these guys informed of what to expect, so please excuse the plethora of updates. As of this week, I got a bill in excess of $5,000 to cover what I owe them according to the contract I signed with them. When I asked my slimeball manager if I really had to pay back all my advances if I left, he told me no and that any debt would be settled by selling off my shares of stock. I feel stupid for trusting him and leaving my managment job with a steady paycheck to take advantage of this "opportunity". Just the first of many lies he fed me and now I have the proof in black and white. The funny thing is that the collection letter says to refer to my contract in regards to my obligation but I can't because I don't have one. Nope, even after asking for it a few times I got nothing but run around and have nothing to look at. Believe me, if I HAD a copy, I'd be taking it to an attorney tomorrow. This collection letter prompted me to do some research online to find out why I am having to pay back ALL of the commissions I earned and the answer I found on an attorneys website is that they charge you the balance of ALL business unless it renews for a 2nd year. So in other words, if they cancel, are declined, miss a payment or don't renew a consecutive year.....you have to return that paltry 10% commission to them. Sound fair to you? Here's a link to that site: insurancefraud-gallegoslawfirm.com/FoAgents.shtml I'm curious, if you are an ex-agent reading this, did any of your managers explain this to you? Did they give you a copy of your contract? To those who still work for them.....educate yourselves, gather evidence and protect yourself legally before they bankrupt you.
Jeanette
Moncks Corner,#15Author of original report
Tue, June 19, 2007
I has been close to a month since I left Cornerstone and since have gotten 5 job solicitations from UGA and 2 from Cornerstone....in fact, they were automated spam from the same guy who interviewed me last year. There are several other jobs out there that also appear to be scams or phishing schemes. Since my experience with these guys, I now check out every company I'm interested in or has an interest in me here on Ripoff Report. Got a call from someone here in the area yesterday asking me to come in...could find no entries in here for his company so I went today to the interview. I can't even begin to tell you what a breath of fresh air this was. First, I was alone when they interviewed me. They are going to pay me 20% and a years advance, where before I was getting a 10% advance for 5 months times the Taken Rate, which always reduced that amount. Instead of the measly 8-15 recycled leads each week, I am getting a guaranteed 25-35 fresh A leads each week. Also, instead of having limited potential to sell because of the product (MEGA), I will be selling health insurance, HSA's, Medicaire Suplements, Life Insurance, Critical Care and Cancer plans and Annuities....all from reputable companies. Not only that but they don't hire just about anyone with an IQ slightly above average and with no prior insurance experience.....in this case, my experience was a plus. The most ironic part is that the two managers both were previous agents of Cornerstone or one of their other aliases themselves. Woo h*o!!!! Life after Cornerstone H**l is sweet indeed !!!!!
Jeanette
Moncks Corner,#16Author of original report
Fri, June 08, 2007
Hello folks, as you can see by my posts I left this company recently and am doing my part to make sure other good people don't get scammed. Could you guess what I got in my email inbox today? Oh...c'mon, take a guess? ______________________ Alliance for Affordable Services - Your resume matched our criteria established for an area sales representative position with the SDA division of Alliance for Affordable Services, a large nationwide not for profit group of small business owners based out of Charleston, SC. We market to assist small business owners structure their business and save money on overhead. We offer health benefits, payroll services, business legal structuring, financial services, and much more. We accomplish all of this through a qualified lead program of prospects that have called in, mailed in a card, or emailed in a response. You would be required to call the potential client back, schedule an appointment with them, and close your sale. First year outside sales income is $60,000 - $80,000 with management opportunity based on performance. We also offer an excellent benefit package, which includes lost wages/disability benefits, health insurance, and a generous stock option plan. We are seeking to fill this position in your area and we are interested in meeting with you. The next step in this process will be to conduct interviews so that we may go over, in detail, professional corporate training, stock option retirement plan, compensation, bonus structures, company leads, potential management, etc. You may refer any questions to Human Resources at 843-388-1811, or to the website at www.affordableservices.org. To schedule the interview for Tuesday, June 12th at 10:00am, please advise me through [email protected]. I will send you thorough directions to our Divisional office upon confirmation of the interview. Sincerely, Jeff McLean Divisional Sales Leader 1-843-388-1811 toll free 866-578-3806 SALES REPRESENTATIVE / SALES MANAGER Opportunity DESCRIPTION: *Immediate Weekly Cash *Call on prospects that have requested to see you *Professional Training *Prestigious Products and Services *Personal Sales and Leadership Development *Advancement Opportunities (Management) *Company Sponsored Stock Ownership Program *Bonus Programs and Trips *Annual potential income $60,000-$80,000 _________________ I got this and less than an hour later I got a duplicate. One had come as a response to my resume on Monster and the second came as a response to the one on Career Builder. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh!!!
Jeanette
Moncks Corner,#17Author of original report
Tue, June 05, 2007
Aaah Dylan, Based on your response I would have to say that you sound EXACTLY the same as me and all the other ex employees used to while we were being innundated with Cornerstone's constant brainwashing. As for everything you said, NO DUH !! Neither I nor many of the other past employees are idiots and therefore lack the understanding that it is "our business" and it requires an investment of time, money and effort. There is no disputing that. In fact, just this week I have been in contact with two very intelligent and accomplished ex employees of Cornerstone ( ironically one interviewed me for a financial advisor position within his very afluent investment firm in one of the wealthiest districts in the area ) and the other owns his own insurance brokerage in another state and is currently spearheading a class action lawsuit against the company you are so vehemently defending. I'm not going to pick on you for being so naive because we have all been there. I just pray for your sake that you open your eyes to the truth before you wind up owing the company all the advances they have paid you the last 5 months plus interest, or even worse, get sued for misrepresentation by someone who was smart enough to read the fine print in their policy, only to discover you have no Errors and Omissions Coverage and Cornerstone is nowhere to be found when you're looking at a $1 Million dollar lawsut and jail time. Best of luck to you. You appear to be intelligent. There are better companies out there, with better products and better pay. You don't have to take my word for it, just go onto Career Builder or Monster and look up some of the agent positions available with reputable companies and make a few calls if for no other reason than to prove me wrong. I promise you, I'm not.
Dylan
Greensboro,#18UPDATE Employee
Tue, June 05, 2007
It is possible, relative to comments about the Top Ten Reasons not to work for Cornerstone/Alliance Services, that the entire concept or fortitiude necessary for self-employment success was missed. Sorry that proper due diligence and perserverance is always neccessary in building sound character and when endeavoring into a new opportunity, especially into one where the indiividual may not have direct experience in. But it is in fact necessary! Desire, determination, and discipline are the keys! Why would anyone delve into the insurance arena without prior relevant experience, a banking or strong sales background, much less without having been self-employed for years? That's akin to selling vacuum cleaners without having never used one? The key is to actually learn the products on your own, do not be allowed to be baby-sat, possess character that cannot be swayed, have integrity that supercedes self-doubt, and the ability to see through hardship and tribulations; which arise in ANY BUSINESS and are the only ways to GROW in this HUMAN world! On the contrary, it is very true concerning how strong and dedicated Cornerstone is to engaging their contracted employees, attracting people of prior success, developing successful entrepreneurs, and retaining them through recognition & reward and ongoing leadership. Leads? Why complain about leads? What would anyone think they're getting into? Ever started a business without ANY start-up costs, and had leads provided to you? NO! Personally developed leads are the hard-part, what you are supposed to be doing, when building an entreprenuerial spirit, NOT depending upon someone else for a hand-out. Boy - if only more people "saw the boat", they wouldn't sink!
Dylan
Greensboro,#19UPDATE Employee
Tue, June 05, 2007
It is possible, relative to comments about the Top Ten Reasons not to work for Cornerstone/Alliance Services, that the entire concept or fortitiude necessary for self-employment success was missed. Sorry that proper due diligence and perserverance is always neccessary in building sound character and when endeavoring into a new opportunity, especially into one where the indiividual may not have direct experience in. But it is in fact necessary! Desire, determination, and discipline are the keys! Why would anyone delve into the insurance arena without prior relevant experience, a banking or strong sales background, much less without having been self-employed for years? That's akin to selling vacuum cleaners without having never used one? The key is to actually learn the products on your own, do not be allowed to be baby-sat, possess character that cannot be swayed, have integrity that supercedes self-doubt, and the ability to see through hardship and tribulations; which arise in ANY BUSINESS and are the only ways to GROW in this HUMAN world! On the contrary, it is very true concerning how strong and dedicated Cornerstone is to engaging their contracted employees, attracting people of prior success, developing successful entrepreneurs, and retaining them through recognition & reward and ongoing leadership. Leads? Why complain about leads? What would anyone think they're getting into? Ever started a business without ANY start-up costs, and had leads provided to you? NO! Personally developed leads are the hard-part, what you are supposed to be doing, when building an entreprenuerial spirit, NOT depending upon someone else for a hand-out. Boy - if only more people "saw the boat", they wouldn't sink!