Gregory
Rickman,#2UPDATE Employee
Fri, March 31, 2006
Lately there have been several news stories about sexual abuse within the WTBTS. I was wondering about the data behind this and was surprised at the results. Taking the data from a Google search from too many sources to mention, which you yourself can do, during the years of '72-about 89-93 there was a huge influx into the WTBTS from the Cathiloc church. Many of these people coming into the WTBTS were former priest. As it turns out these priese had been moved from parish to parish due to their abuse within the Cathiloc church. Not long after coming into the WTBTS many of these men became elders, now they were once again in the position they were in the Cathiloc church. At this point you may ask why was not a background check done. Well it would have been useless, it was an act of congress that forced the Cathiloc church to publish the backgrounds of the priest now, there was no way to get it then. As soon as the Society became aware of what was going on they were moved to action. Of course they did not goto the press and say hay look at us we are cleaning out the bad. Entire bodies of elders were removed even before the press got the first word. But there are some climing that they were removed for going to the elders about the abuse. No doubt those elders who removed were involved and are no longer with the Society. I know of one case personality that the elder was removed. Perhaps npot the very day it became aware but due to the law procuders must be followed, however during this time the otherr elders do not let that person alone with anyone. Much goes on that the Society does not blow a trumpet before them. And sometimes it does not happen as fast as we would like, but measures are taken to protect the flock. As for the claim that two witnesses are needed. That is true but it is also a misunderstanding of how they are considered. If a member is accused by one person then an investagation is started right away. If one shread of evedence is proven even with one witness then it is taken care of, and yes I know of a case with only one witness that the person has been taken care of under the law. Something to keep in mind during the 80's there were 1,000's of people sent to jail because 1 kid made the claim, then when it becamepublic that it was all a bunce of kids that were lieing this reall affected the public. I am not saying all kids lie. But in this day and age a verry small few will to try to get there way, for the most part 98% are telling the truth. So when one witness comes forware this has to be considered. I know for sure all cases are addressed and handled. The Society is addressing this matter as fast as they can just because it is not done uesterrday does not mean the kids are in danger they are being protected. Those elders that caused the problems have been removed or are in the process of being removed. We just do not wave a flag to let the public know what is happening. And as for former Witnesses who may state they know a certain person has not been dealt with, How on earth can they, the Witnesses cannot have any contact with former Witnesses and the former Witness cannot have access to what goes on inside of the Hall, therefore what a formerr Witness says is as good as a Satan telling what Jehovah has on His mind, he has no way of knowing the truth he is total evil. The former Witnesses have no inside information, no privilged information, they are in the dark as to what Jehovah is doing, so why listen to them. And as for those who claim that they money was taken or forced to live with an abusive husband, I will flat out say they are wrong. The Society says to leagally part without divorce if it is physical or sexual abuse, but if it is mentaly abuse then deal with it, if thatt is what it is ans a person complains because they have to deal with mental abuse by their mate I say it is a good thing that person did not live in n**i Germany, or Stalin Russia. Jehovah's people since the beginning were told by Jehovah not to beg off but to endure, some people just can't follow what the Bible says so leave and blame the Society for their failure. One thing the Society teaches is to accept responability for your choices in life, those who leave can't accept that choice so blaim someone else. As for childhood being stolen. The Bible says the best way a youth can spend their childhood is in the service of God, that is the Bible not the Society, so therefore those who claim to have their childhood stolen are speaking directly agianst the Bible not the Society. I suggest to open the Bible and read it.
#30
Sun, June 16, 2002
I hope you are not serious. I hope you are the only person in the world that doesn't see what a travesty, yes even a rip-off this was. The innocent lives of these children were shattered and I hope you are not suggesting that just because it does not involve commerce this is not the venue for that discussion. For your sake and for the sake of all our reader's, this website is dedicated to making others aware of all manner of rip-offs and scams; cheating spouses, child support fraud, government corruption, cops on the take, mafia-run businesses. Many of these stories do not involve money and we want you all to look at this as a website for justice. Unfortunately, our legal system has lost sight of many of the principle upon which this great land was founded and dedicated. We hope to help restore that. It used to be that you could trust your priest, rabbi, bishop, or the like, but something has happened. Most certainly, we do not wish to focus on the running down of any religion, but people run churches and that is where corruption creeps in. And you better know... we'll be right there to let you know. I'm not sure what you meant by "defamy," as that word is not in my personal lexicon, but if you meant to say, "defamation," let me clear one thing up right now. Just because an organization is listed as "not-for-profit," it does not mean that there are those who are remunerated for their efforts in that organization, so that is a pretty big leap to assume that not-for-profit organization neither are interested in nor take in profit. Non-profit is a misnomer, I believe designed to misdirect the public. For example, one of our Rip-off Report Investigators went after the Red Cross and broke a story about fraud in the collection of donation for victims just days after the 9-11 bombing. It is posted on this website. Horror stories have been sent in since of corruption in the Red Cross. We believe the public needs to know this. We hope we have cleared up your confusion. For all our other readers: We want to warn every mother and father to watch out for your children. You really can't trust anyone, but a child naturally trusts the parents. Most molestations occurs by someone close to the child, who they trust. We applaud this posting regardless whether or not it involves a church or a not-for-profit organization. Thank you, ED Magedson [email protected] badbusinessbureau.com www.ripoffreport.com Don't let them get away with it. Make sure they make the Rip-off Report! We are not lawyers. We are not a collection agency. We are Consumer Advocates. ...the victims' advocate WE are Civil and Human Rights Activists We are a Nationwide Consumer Reporting News Agency ...by consumers, for consumers badbusinessbureau.com, LLC WORLD HEADQUARTERS: H. & F. Henville Building Prince Charles Street -suite 2 Charlestown, Nevis Island, West Indies St. Kitts DONATIONS may be sent to and USA Victims and Volunteers respond to: PO Box 1340, Media, Pennsylvania 19063 United States, Florida Message Phone and office FAX: 305-832-2949 United States west coast office FAX: 425-799-9729 Remember. Don't let them get away with it! Make sure they make the Rip-off Report.
Vicki
Mesquite,#4Consumer Comment
Wed, June 12, 2002
I would like to comment that this site appears to be set up to notify the public of BUSINESS theft/abuse, concerning monetary transactions or services, etc. rather than questions of legal matters in [optional] religious beliefs.
I am concerned that the owners of this site are knowingly [perhaps with approval] allowing their site to be used for the defamy of an organization that is NOT interested in, NOR involved in ANY profit making activities. I fail to see any relevancy to any consumer financial abuses, or consumer service abuses, the stated purpose of this site, CONSUMER RIP OFFS.