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  • Report:  #223448

Complaint Review: AmeriGas Propane - Nationwide

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- Fort Pierce, Florida,
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AmeriGas Propane
Nationwide, U.S.A.
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The Truth About AmeriGas Propane: Great Stock to Own, but not so Great to be a Customer or an Employee !

I have worked for AmeriGas for several years, serving proudly in various capacities and locations for the company. There came a point in my "career" with the company where my conscious simply could not comply with the company's unethical practices any longer. When I first began with the company, I felt appreciated because they seemed to take my word over that of the customer-always. I thought that was great, because I knew I was always fair and honest to the customers, but soon enough I learned that they treat all employees, and customers great initially.

FIRST: my opinion of their ideal local MANAGER candidate. One willing to lie to the employees and customers. At one location in which i was employed the manager commented during a meeting that our district was losing just over ten customers a day on average, but that we were gaining almost twelve customers a day, noting that even though we were working through some issues, he remarked how proud he was of the crew. The billing clerk however pointed out two main reasons why she felt virtually all of the AmeriGas customers were switching to other gas companies: either due to out of the ballpark gas prices, or lack of any response from the office staff on issues and they went ignored after repeated attempts to make contact or reach a satisfactory resolution. The manager's response to the billing clerk--"We don't need those kinds of customers, and furthermore, as long as we are gaining more customers than we are losing, nothing else matters!" The manager went on to explain how he felt about the customers that switched to other gas companies...he put up his middle finger and waived it back and fourth.

SECOND: my opinion of their ideal CUSTOMER SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE candidate. One willing to lie to the customers and possessing an innate enjoyment of constant engagement with customers in verbal judo; obviously great for collections, keeping delivery trucks on-route irregardless of who needs a delivery (in the name of productivity and efficiency), and don't be surprised if they "have no record" of you ever calling for a delivery; it buys them more time. They will need the extra time because they have thousands of high gas consumption customers (and usually have an average of between only two or three trucks on the road at absolute most delivering gas, covering a very large territory), and making customers with service issues submit to inflated service bills for service that should have been free most of the time. AmeriGas has two notable "computer glitches" lately (these glitches have been going on for several years now, but most employees don't know it because employees don't stay very long) which are: One, customers will fall off the protected price that they paid extra for, which supposedly guaranteed them to be locked in at a set price per gallon for a set period of time, and Two,the ten dollar late fee that ALL customers are charged once to twice every year. About half of the customer base will call, clogging up the phones for two weeks (stressing out the small office staff) complaining about one or both of these mysterious issues, and the office staff are instructed to tell the customer that although they have not heard of the problem before, and that they cannot explain how it happened, other than the possibility of a "computer glitch" to immediately apologize and credit the account. Amazingly, about another half either have not noticed the erroneous but intentional additional charges and either don't call, or have tried to call, but gave up because of understaffed offices. AmeriGas knows that virtually of the calls coming into their local offices are from customers that deserve credits on their account, so not just in the name of saving on staffing costs, but in the name of playing an avoidance game they make it difficult for their customers to get through. The frustrated customers often give up trying to get through and just pay the bill. The Customer Reps are instructed to NEVER return calls if there is a credit. This method of doing business is great for the shareholders but not great for the customers that don't have a lot of extra time on their hands. The remaining customers just blindly pay their bill, without looking at it carefully. The customer reps are trained to empathetically look for opportunities to make the customer think that AmeriGas is right, and to act on those opportunities; and to convince the customer that the easiest thing to do is to submit, then grin and bear the situation, however unjust it may seem.

My opinion of their ideal DELIVERY REPRESENTATIVE: one that is good at telling lies, and are skilled enough to make those lies believable. A residential heating customer with small children may be out of gas in the middle of night in the winter, but if a commercial customer is out of gas at around the same time, and lives seventy-five miles in the other direction, guess which way the AmeriGas driver is going to go? If they choose to go to the residence first, even if the call came in first, they will be first in the unemployment line the next day. Virtually all AmeriGas rookie drivers lack training and experience in checking a customer gas system for safety. Many veteran AmeriGas drivers lack the intelligence to properly test a system for safety as well. The company's reasoning is that "If the leak is serious enough, someone will smell it and we will send a tech out there". Most of the time, in the name of saving money, they instruct the driver to tell the customer that "they system is checked, and is fine, and to have the customer sign a leak check form" when oftentimes there are several leaks in the customer's system. AmeriGas is ok with leaks, as the customer will use more gas, and they oftentimes are not willing to pay for the experienced skilled labor, training, and "extra time" to have a technician stay there to ensure the system is safe, despite all of their self-proclaimed "we are the leader of safety" hoopla. Most AmeriGas customers' gas systems have leaks, and they know it. To further illustrate this truth, each year, AmeriGas experiences more and more legal claims from the general public concerning deaths, serious injuries, and property damage, as well as across the board increases in employee accidents and injuries. These observations are not significant to AmeriGas for two reasons: One, AmeriGas' level of profit continues to reach higher levels, year after year, as the direct result of increased efficiency and productivity. Two, AmeriGas has some of the best attorneys that are experts in minimizing all claims against AmeriGas. If in doubt, simply type in "AmeriGas Vs." in any search engine and you will quickly find that they win virtually all cases, and only are liable to throw a meager amount of money to surviving family members, etc. They can and will fight tooth and nail and have high degrees of success in defending themselves against lawsuits, even when they know they are totally responsible for the carnage.

Jim

Fort Pierce, Florida
U.S.A.


3 Updates & Rebuttals

William

Red Lion,
Pennsylvania,
U.S.A.
I am in full agreement that this is how it is at Amerigas

#2UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sun, June 01, 2008

I have worked for Amerigas for almost ten years and everything mentioned here is the truth and nothing but the truth. I was always the type of guy to want to stay with the same company for my entire career so when I started out with Amerigas I had a great vision of working for the biggest and the best propane company. It is safe to say that I was mr amergas for most of my career(my image of a good company man that is honest and reliable)for the first three years. I was a service tech. for my nine years with the company. I would service anywere from five to ten customers a day. Eight out of ten customers would have complaints that they would voice to me before I was even able to get out of my truck after pulling up to thier house. Almost always the customer would ask me what took so long and in every case that that question was asked I would always respond truthfuly that I had just recieved the call. The customer would respond that they had called in hours ago. The truth is that the office personel would hold the work order dispatch until later in the day so that after hour charges could be applied. This not only punnishes the customer with a high bill but also punnishes the emplyee by keeping him/her away from thier family when all along it is not nessessary to do so. This is amost an every day thing in most of the districts I have worked for. I have worked at four districts and the problems are all the same. Management that lies to it's employee and customers to increase thier bonus at the end of the year. I resigned my position with amerigas becuase I could no longer deal with the lies and constant torment. I along with my family have suffered enough and so have all of the customers. I could write a book on all of the things that I have seen and experianced in my time with amerigas and 90% of it is a nightmare. The law department at amerigas is more powerful then this man metioned and is feared by the employee's so most of us will not speak out against the company. I only speak out against them becuase it is the honest thing to do and that is how I was raised to be and I only hope that more people become more informed on what Amerigas is really all about. Thank you and good day


Samantha

Boulder Creek,
California,
U.S.A.
Everything Stated by this Individual is the TRUTH!

#3Consumer Comment

Fri, October 05, 2007

I know many of the past and one of the present employees of the Santa Cruz, California office. I have seen the changes and I am personal friends with a few of them. EVERY WORD stated in these reports is true. I have seen it all and I applaud those who speak up to expose this company. I have since switched providers, as most of my neighbors and I do not want to ever go through the hellish experience of delivery, which occurred last year in our area. We went without heat or cooking for days and eventually had delivery. I have three small children and that is not a pleasant experience to try and keep everyone happy. We were on an auto fill schedule and met with one excuse after another. Oh, we must not have your usage correct, have you added appliances, we don't have a driver in your area. I live less than 10 miles from their office. NO DRIVER? My mother lives in a small community outside of Santa Cruz, also on an automatic fill schedule, also repeatedly ran out of propane. I understand how frustrated some of those people who worked in the office must have been and probably still are. Our drivers were not a problem. One of them even came out on Saturday and filled the tank one time, however..too little too late and we just cannot afford to pay health costs for sick children. I am very pleased with the local company that services both our appliances, propane needs and has kept our tank full, without any excuses given. We are good customers, we pay our bills ontime. We have recently heard that once again our neighbors are experiencing lack of service. One of our neighbors has a tank that is still sitting there, they had to weed wack since it had become a trellis for plants. Good luck to anyone else out there who seems to be stuck with their lack of service.


Thomas

Anderson,
South Carolina,
U.S.A.
I was wondering about Amerigas...

#4Consumer Comment

Sun, December 03, 2006

So unless Jim, Fort Pierce, Florida U.S.A. is believably disproven, I guess I will stop wondering. When we bought this place [which has a really fine heatpump], we ordered a buried LP tank from another gas supplier. We wanted to supply a double gas fireplace and outdoor BBQ. This firm called on the morning of the appointed installation day and told my wife "So sorry, we couldn't get the 150 gal tank you had ordered, so is it allright if we install a 250 gal tank for the original quoted price?" Hmmm... I guess I know whom I should call again.

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