Complaint Review: Imogene's Show Dogs - Bartlesville Oklahoma

In early Spring of 2005, I bought a 7 month old cream male French Bulldog sight unseen from Imogene Hines for $2000.00 on her so-called good reputation. He was delivered to me by one of her friends in crime, Everett Clamp. When I picked him up at Everett's home, he walked with an odd gait and also had kennel cough. When I asked why he walked "funny," both Everett and later, Imogene told me that when he picked the dog up to deliver him to me, that Imogene had microchipped him and hurt his shoulder. I believed them both at the time ,again, because of their reputations. We had became aquainted with Mr. Clamp when he contacted us (on our dogs reputations) and wanted to show dogs for us.(Thank God we didn't let him!) I needed another male for breeding and Clamp had recomended Ms. Hines. Three weeks later, the dog showed no improvement. I contacted Imogene and she told me to take him to a local vet (of HER choosing.) I did. As soon as the vet took one look at him, he said that he had OCD, a degenerative bone desease of the shoulder, which was also genetic and also had an elongated soft palate. I contacted Imogene and she told us to bring the dog back so that she could have her vet look at him. (Just like the other lady's story..Imogene starts out nice but when a problem arises, she turns evil!) We waited a couple weeks for some word from her. Finally, my husband called her and told her he was taking a trip to Kansas and could stop by her place to pick up another dog or our money. Two days later, the Bartlesville police contacted my husband and told him that she said he had been calling and herassing her and that he had to stay away from her place. It has now been several months. We are in the process of filing felony stealing charges on her. She has the dog (which we do not want) and our $2000.00. She will not give us another dog or our money back or return our phone calls. It just appalls me that not only has she done this to me but several other people. I am an honest breeder. My ultimate goal is to raise a happy healthy puppy of great quality so that my customers are totally satisfied. If something goes wrong, I make it right. It is breeders like Imogene Hines that give dog breeders a bad name!

In early Spring of 2005, I bought a 7 month old cream male French Bulldog sight unseen from Imogene Hines for $2000.00 on her so-called good reputation. He was delivered to me by one of her friends in crime, Everett Clamp. When I picked him up at Everett's home, he walked with an odd gait and also had kennel cough. When I asked why he walked "funny," both Everett and later, Imogene told me that when he picked the dog up to deliver him to me, that Imogene had microchipped him and hurt his shoulder. I believed them both at the time ,again, because of their reputations. We had became aquainted with Mr. Clamp when he contacted us (on our dogs reputations) and wanted to show dogs for us.(Thank God we didn't let him!) I needed another male for breeding and Clamp had recomended Ms. Hines. Three weeks later, the dog showed no improvement. I contacted Imogene and she told me to take him to a local vet (of HER choosing.) I did. As soon as the vet took one look at him, he said that he had OCD, a degenerative bone desease of the shoulder, which was also genetic and also had an elongated soft palate. I contacted Imogene and she told us to bring the dog back so that she could have her vet look at him. (Just like the other lady's story..Imogene starts out nice but when a problem arises, she turns evil!) We waited a couple weeks for some word from her. Finally, my husband called her and told her he was taking a trip to Kansas and could stop by her place to pick up another dog or our money. Two days later, the Bartlesville police contacted my husband and told him that she said he had been calling and herassing her and that he had to stay away from her place. It has now been several months. We are in the process of filing felony stealing charges on her. She has the dog (which we do not want) and our $2000.00. She will not give us another dog or our money back or return our phone calls. It just appalls me that not only has she done this to me but several other people. I am an honest breeder. My ultimate goal is to raise a happy healthy puppy of great quality so that my customers are totally satisfied. If something goes wrong, I make it right. It is breeders like Imogene Hines that give dog breeders a bad name!

In early Spring of 2005, I bought a 7 month old cream male French Bulldog sight unseen from Imogene Hines for $2000.00 on her so-called good reputation. He was delivered to me by one of her friends in crime, Everett Clamp. When I picked him up at Everett's home, he walked with an odd gait and also had kennel cough. When I asked why he walked "funny," both Everett and later, Imogene told me that when he picked the dog up to deliver him to me, that Imogene had microchipped him and hurt his shoulder. I believed them both at the time ,again, because of their reputations. We had became aquainted with Mr. Clamp when he contacted us (on our dogs reputations) and wanted to show dogs for us.(Thank God we didn't let him!) I needed another male for breeding and Clamp had recomended Ms. Hines. Three weeks later, the dog showed no improvement. I contacted Imogene and she told me to take him to a local vet (of HER choosing.) I did. As soon as the vet took one look at him, he said that he had OCD, a degenerative bone desease of the shoulder, which was also genetic and also had an elongated soft palate. I contacted Imogene and she told us to bring the dog back so that she could have her vet look at him. (Just like the other lady's story..Imogene starts out nice but when a problem arises, she turns evil!) We waited a couple weeks for some word from her. Finally, my husband called her and told her he was taking a trip to Kansas and could stop by her place to pick up another dog or our money. Two days later, the Bartlesville police contacted my husband and told him that she said he had been calling and herassing her and that he had to stay away from her place. It has now been several months. We are in the process of filing felony stealing charges on her. She has the dog (which we do not want) and our $2000.00. She will not give us another dog or our money back or return our phone calls. It just appalls me that not only has she done this to me but several other people. I am an honest breeder. My ultimate goal is to raise a happy healthy puppy of great quality so that my customers are totally satisfied. If something goes wrong, I make it right. It is breeders like Imogene Hines that give dog breeders a bad name!

In early Spring of 2005, I bought a 7 month old cream male French Bulldog sight unseen from Imogene Hines for $2000.00 on her so-called good reputation. He was delivered to me by one of her friends in crime, Everett Clamp. When I picked him up at Everett's home, he walked with an odd gait and also had kennel cough. When I asked why he walked "funny," both Everett and later, Imogene told me that when he picked the dog up to deliver him to me, that Imogene had microchipped him and hurt his shoulder. I believed them both at the time ,again, because of their reputations. We had became aquainted with Mr. Clamp when he contacted us (on our dogs reputations) and wanted to show dogs for us.(Thank God we didn't let him!) I needed another male for breeding and Clamp had recomended Ms. Hines. Three weeks later, the dog showed no improvement. I contacted Imogene and she told me to take him to a local vet (of HER choosing.) I did. As soon as the vet took one look at him, he said that he had OCD, a degenerative bone desease of the shoulder, which was also genetic and also had an elongated soft palate. I contacted Imogene and she told us to bring the dog back so that she could have her vet look at him. (Just like the other lady's story..Imogene starts out nice but when a problem arises, she turns evil!) We waited a couple weeks for some word from her. Finally, my husband called her and told her he was taking a trip to Kansas and could stop by her place to pick up another dog or our money. Two days later, the Bartlesville police contacted my husband and told him that she said he had been calling and herassing her and that he had to stay away from her place. It has now been several months. We are in the process of filing felony stealing charges on her. She has the dog (which we do not want) and our $2000.00. She will not give us another dog or our money back or return our phone calls. It just appalls me that not only has she done this to me but several other people. I am an honest breeder. My ultimate goal is to raise a happy healthy puppy of great quality so that my customers are totally satisfied. If something goes wrong, I make it right. It is breeders like Imogene Hines that give dog breeders a bad name!

Hi Lisa- I recently bought a french bulldog from Kentucky. He was sent to me at only six weeks of age and within a few days was deathly ill. I sent him to the best animal intensive care unit in Minnesota where he spent a week--- and survived. He was diagnosed with a severe gastro intestinal infection as well as coccidiosis. The vets said it was nothing short of a pure miracle that he survived. The breeder who promised me throughout the hospitalization that she would pay at least half of the expenses and has now ceased answering my phone calls. I also paid $1500 for my puppy and the medical expenses totaled an excess of $4000. This puppy's father's name is Imogene's Just My Style. So, maybe I was tricked by your breeder's accomplice with a Kentucky location!!! Both of our situations are ridiculously unethical and I hope these breeders are ashamed of themselves. There is absolutely no reason in my opinion why they should be able to walk away from these crimes. (yes, crimes!) It is very sad to me that a person's word can no longer be trusted- especially in the professional world. I would be very interested in knowing how your battle is going- mine is just beginning. Please respond!!

I heard that the dog I purchased died 6 months later after Imogene got him back. I heard he died from heart problems. My vet was right about all his problems............. I just wish she would have told me that she was not going to pay me back and I would have just kept him here. I also heard that Imogene did not want me to find out that the dog had died :(

I believe when deals are made in bad faith, the courts can award 3 times the amount in question. Imogene, you could end up giving $3400 back instead of the $1500 if you don't do it before it goes to court. Shame on you and the bad name you give to "dog breeders".

I am still waiting. Come on Imogene, why don't you just do the right thing? Am I not entitled to any of the $1500 back? You did'nt offer me anything. I just don't get it. So you made $1500 and I guess you resold the dog and made more. Oh well, I guess that is just what you do. If you pay me back I will let everyone on here know that you did the right thing. Why can't you just pay me and apologize and make it all better? I bet you would feel alot better about yourself. Just think, clear concience. Or have you done this to so many people that you just don't care?????????

Yes Imogene Hinse is a thief! Her whole family is/ She lives a life where she only frequents with family members who are crooks. She has run her business like this for years. I purchased 2 dogs from her and showed both and championed them out. I finished many champions but I looked at the patella, and stifle problems and bred carefully. I believe the laws in Oklahoma allow you to sue her in small claims court. this is what I would do. She caused me me many problems years back including marital. She sleeps with judges and all kinds of men. She stole an entire estate away from Shirley Shultzmans son who is handicapped and he was left to fend for himself after Imogene went to court and gained custody and power of attorney from her when she was in ill health and bad times. Imogene stole all of her dogs and left her son in a nursing home with no source of income while that was never Shirleys intent. The Hines family is frowned down upon in the Bartlesville community as all member are either in jail or headed there. My suggestion would be to contact the county court clerks office and request a small claims form. They are cheap to file and at least that way a judge can hear both sides. Remember that Imogenes family can be dangerous so don't go to appear in court all alone. Good Luck

Yes Imogene Hinse is a thief! Her whole family is/ She lives a life where she only frequents with family members who are crooks. She has run her business like this for years. I purchased 2 dogs from her and showed both and championed them out. I finished many champions but I looked at the patella, and stifle problems and bred carefully. I believe the laws in Oklahoma allow you to sue her in small claims court. this is what I would do. She caused me me many problems years back including marital. She sleeps with judges and all kinds of men. She stole an entire estate away from Shirley Shultzmans son who is handicapped and he was left to fend for himself after Imogene went to court and gained custody and power of attorney from her when she was in ill health and bad times. Imogene stole all of her dogs and left her son in a nursing home with no source of income while that was never Shirleys intent. The Hines family is frowned down upon in the Bartlesville community as all member are either in jail or headed there. My suggestion would be to contact the county court clerks office and request a small claims form. They are cheap to file and at least that way a judge can hear both sides. Remember that Imogenes family can be dangerous so don't go to appear in court all alone. Good Luck

Yes Imogene Hinse is a thief! Her whole family is/ She lives a life where she only frequents with family members who are crooks. She has run her business like this for years. I purchased 2 dogs from her and showed both and championed them out. I finished many champions but I looked at the patella, and stifle problems and bred carefully. I believe the laws in Oklahoma allow you to sue her in small claims court. this is what I would do. She caused me me many problems years back including marital. She sleeps with judges and all kinds of men. She stole an entire estate away from Shirley Shultzmans son who is handicapped and he was left to fend for himself after Imogene went to court and gained custody and power of attorney from her when she was in ill health and bad times. Imogene stole all of her dogs and left her son in a nursing home with no source of income while that was never Shirleys intent. The Hines family is frowned down upon in the Bartlesville community as all member are either in jail or headed there. My suggestion would be to contact the county court clerks office and request a small claims form. They are cheap to file and at least that way a judge can hear both sides. Remember that Imogenes family can be dangerous so don't go to appear in court all alone. Good Luck

She does not even have the courtesy to send my new crate back. She has $1500 and the dog and my crate. She has made no effort what so ever to make this right. The only people she sells dogs too are people that other breeders won't sell to. I am so embarassed to have purchased a dog from Imogene. This was before I knew any better. I don't know what the post is all about above but these dogs were bred to be companions not bear baiting dogs. All I can say is what goes around comes around and you will get paid back one way or another. Look at yourself in the mirror theif. I can not believe I trusted you and sent the dog back to you. My kids ask me why you did that? I told them that there are just people in the world that like to take advantage of other people. Lisa Temecula, California

I have been a "perre du les bulls" (the proper French term) lover for over sixty years and I can tell you that breeding them for shows is the cruelest thing to do to one of these noble creatures. Proper diet and exercise are key.

I am perplexed when the breeder suggests using plastic surgery to fix the dog's looks. This would disqualify the dog from many shows.

The breed was bred for bear-baiting. If you're squeamish or don't have access to bears, you should consider getting another type of pooch.

Dear Breeder:

It is most unethical for you to keep the money if you also now have the dog. Where is your good faith, where is your concern about your breeder reputation?

If someone pays that much for a dog, they are entitled to some respect from the breeder who sold it to them. Either you provide a new puppy or a refund or you work toward an equitable solution. It is really unfair for the breeder to make a judgement about the method of shipping the animal, since it is quite apparent that the purchaser is already out a lot of money. If you are so concerned about expedient shipping, you should pay the shipping. The breeder is just making up one lame excuse after another to avoid refunding the money.

I think it's time for small claims court. I think the law calls it something like "enrichment", when you have the merchandise and the money. Hopefully the court will allow punitive damages as well.

That just does not seem right. You sent her the dog back and it's papers and she offers you nothing? $1500 is not just a drop in the bucket.
Boy you got took. It is people like her that ruin it for the decent breeders that may exist in Oklahoma. I can't believe she just kept your money. I have seen your web site Lisa and it sure looks like you take care of your pets. I can't see you treating the one you sent back any different. I notice she claims nothing is wrong with him so why does she not give you your money back? You know back in the old days they hung people for things like this. Horse theives and swindlers were hung.
I am owned by two adorable Frenchies.
Happy Holidays all!!!!!!!!!!
Good luck Lisa!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems that everyone forgets to ask for and check references, vets, past puppy placement, retired placement, people in the community, other breeders and so on. You need to talk to and really get to know your breeder BEFORE you agree to bring a pup into your home.

You need to understand that there are many genetic problems with the French Bulldog, and be prepared for this before you bring a puppy home.

A good breeder is always looking to improve by testing and making sure nothing ever stays within thier program that is not proven to throw superior pups HOWEVER even the best laid plans can and yes do go wrong it is what that breeder does with the info that matters...

If you have a dog or b***h that is known to throw a very bad trait or unthrifty puppies do you breed them again or spay/neuter and place in great pet or keep breeding??? My answer would be spay/neuter and go on from there...

Purebred of any kind is does not have immune systems, nor general overall health of thier crossbred cousins, but a good breeder is constanly striving for improvment and also backs thier dogs and has a clause stating this...

As far as Cherry Eyes Imogene where have you been this is and has been one of numerous problems with this breed (elongated soft palate being another) come on who are you trying to kid? I agree with Shirley there are always 3 sides to all stories and sometimes it is hard to sort out which if any are correct. Best Wishes to All and Happy Holiday Season!

The dog I sent back had an elongated palate to the point he was hacking up phlegm.
Two of my vets said they would send him back and not use him for breeding. The dog also developed SEVERE straight stifles. He was sold to me as show quality and I was told to send him back and that I would be refunded. He was 5 months old when I bought him.

I hate to have to resort to the internet but she has my $1500. She has just played games with me and has had no intentions of ever paying me back. I was not about to use him as a stud dog. I care about the breed too much.

You just dont understand, I trusted this person and she took $1500 from me. I did what my vets said I should do. She claims I sent the dog back almost dead and then she sends me emails saying nothing is wrong with him and he is running around like a wild man. I am not posting here anymore. It will not get my money back. I have heard she has resold the dog. I was so trusting I sent the papers back to her. I just should have known better. She has told nothing but lies. I took care of the dog. I do not have a lot of dogs and my dogs are spoiled.

I hope she found a nice home for him and I wish her well. She feels entitled to keep my money for some reason. Have a nice life Imogene. Truth is, I sent dog back at my expense and she kept dog and crate and gave me nothing back.
I hope you all have a great Christmas and I am just going to quit dwelling on this because it will just kill me.

I have been a breeder of french bulldogs for over 20 yrs and here's what I think....
Imogene is right about having the palette fixed....most breeders will/do breed dogs with this fault...it just comes with the breed. None of us like it and we are pretty careful and try not to double up on this fault...but we don;t toss a dog out of our breeding plans just becasue everything is not 100%..or we don;t toss the baby out with the bath water....

Still the fact remains that the puppy was returned( faults or not) so therefore the buyer needs to have a refund, in part or in full...

thats just good business for everyone.
Also remember thats there's always three sides to every story....her side, their side and what really happened but in this case both sides agree that the puppy was returned.... so a refund is in order....

I just hate to see this on the internet, it does no one any good at all and we all know that there are good breeders and bad breeders just like there are good puppy owners and there are bad puppy owners.....just my two cents worth...

Could it not be more obvious? NO ONE spells that poorly! It is almost like she was trying to purposely spell words incorrectly. Maybe then everyone could be "fooled" by her witty attempt at mis-spelling to disguise herself! How ridiculous.

Anyway, Lisa, I am sorry for your situation. I definitely would never buy from her (not that I am even remotely near that area). I do my checking on breeders and I will definitely put the word out to all of my contacts in that area.

Furthermore, she is probably just a sick and twisted old lady doing everything for a profit. It is sickening but many people in the world are like that and it is just terribly unfortunate that you are one who has to experience her hatefulness and selfishness and sickness.

I wish you all the best of luck.

I have been watching this go on.
I am in a circle of breeders that take breeding VERY seriously! When you call yourself a breeder you are taking on a profesional position. You need to be concerned with genetic rather than worms. A Frenchie with all the problems listed above should NEVER be shown or bred.

To sell a dog that then is backed up vet certification to these problems should be refundede or replaced. I was at the Tulsa show and saw the French bull dog shown by the above seller. To take and show a dog with a sway back and strait stifles, is a SHAME to the breed.

I feel that if this is thought to be show quality, I may feer that she also feels that the above problems are not truely problems. Lisa do not fear I have passed this site on to friends that show Perfectly beautiful Frenchies and I'm very sure any one of them would wait in line to sell you a pup. We all love seroious breeders that worrie about passing on these neg. trait.

To give up so much money and time to make sure this happens to no one else is very kind. To all other reading, do not be worried as stted above, their is no real fear in buying a wonderful dog. Just do your homework on the breeder. Forums like this are very helpfull to know who not to buy from.

As for the German Sheperd breeder in California (I believe she said) Worring about worms over genetic defects is a sad thing. Like a new baby it is to be expected that little thing may come about like (worns0 but genetic defects are the biggest NO NO in breeding. Finally, any breeder that denies Cherry eye to a breed has NO buisness breeding!!! Ask any Vet.

Good luck Lisa...
May God Bless your integrity...Imogene
As for the other may fortune come your way..
Sincerely,

You dont make any sense at all.
The dog was sold as show quality and had genetic defects. You make absolutly no sense at all lady.
The breeder told me to send the dog back and I did and she kept my money. How do you know what I feed my dogs? I think you are Imogene posting for yourself. You are just a big drunk that can't spell.

Where you even planning on showing or breeding this dog? OR where you buying a pet that was show quality?

Knowing that these dogs are fairly rair, I am sure they have Genetic defects. I notice in her add that you posted your self that it said Garentee. As i see it, it did not say ageinst Genetic Long Pallett. I normaly think of Garentee as Parisite free, or personality.. so how you assumed it to be as a guarantee agenst this enlongated pallet, which "could be fixed" , is your own problem.

I am sorry you did not get 25% back like i give my people,which goes for adds, feed, training like house training, socialization, and bills. Breeders work hard to keep there kennels /homes nice, keep there Bitches on the best food, and make shure that they are breeding 2 dogs with the best genetic 'click'. This all costs time and money which i feel is worth 1500 for a well taken care of, good bloodline, breeding prospect even in the GSD Breed.

It seems to me you made a bad choice in choosing this type of dog in the first place, maby you did not read up on all of the genetic defects and house care like AKC reccomends buyers to do first!
I hope you read guarentees much better next time, and look for some one with a life time genetic defect guarentee.

Also your hostility to this breeder makes me hope you stay away from the GSD breeders as we are a strong chain of friends and tell each other about bad buyers.

Also to the Breeder -- I think that having paperwork on every single dog saying "you will not abuse, neglect, or punish, and you must feed top of the line feed, keep on Nuvet waffers, not keep in a depressing sceine, not leave in a crate for more than 1 hour at a time as a pup, 4 hours as adult... ect. " Very important to let people know you care , and will come and get your dog back if you have to. I Like the Nu-vet waffers because they let you know if people are using them, they keep a strict list.
Any who.. Improve the breed , find better homes,love your dog.

The Better Business bureau says she is wrong.

http://166.70.32.195/~tulsa/commonreport.html?compid=29000394&national=Y

Imogene needs to pay. I have many more phone calls I can make and many more complaints I can make.

I have been invited to be on the Montel Williams show. It is about internet fraud. I am going to the show in November. They are paying all my expenses!! I need to warn many others.

If I do not see a check by November. I am going to Oklahoma and sueing. You are not getting away with this. I WILL NOT give up.

IMOGENE STILL HAS NOT PAID ME BACK.
YOU ARE AN INTERNET THEIF!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE ALSO A LIAR.
YOU WILL GO NOWHERE IN THE DOG WORLD.
EVERYONE I HAVE TALKED TO SAYS YOU ARE SCUM AND THEY WILL NOT BUY FROM YOU. I WISH I HAD LEARNED ALL THIS BEFORE I CONTACTED YOU.
YOU ARE A SCAM ARTIST IS WHAT YOU ARE. YOU SOLD THE DOG I SENT BACK TO YOU AND SO YOU MADE DOUBLE THE MONEY. I DID NOT SEND HIM BACK STARVED EITHER.
YOU WILL GO NOWHERE WITH YOUR ETHICS.

I have never had an experience like this in my life. She is a liar and a cheat.
She sold me a defective dog and kept my $1500 after she told me to send him back. She is a liar. She says I starved the dog and she is full of it. She offers me nothing!!!!!!!!
How could you say I need to budge?
I want my $1500 back!!!!

After reading the postings on this subject, I would like to make certain that it is understood that all breeders do not rip you off. The large majority of us want you to be happy with your new puppy and will do everything within reason to make sure that you are satisfied.

I am not taking sides on this issue because I don't know all the facts, however it would appear that there should have been an easier and mutual way to resolve this issue. It would appear that neither side would give an inch. Shame on you!

WOW! If this is what I have to look forward to, I'll never go to a breeder! Maybe I'll never get another animal from anywhere ever again for as long as I live! What I've read is not something I would be interested in putting myself and my family through! You folks have just turned one family completely against animal ownership. Hope you're proud.

This Is how her ad reads In Dog World magazine

French Bulldogs

Imogene's - Pet and show. Puppies, young adults occasionally. Complete guarantee.
401171 W. 2480 Dr. Bartlesville, OK 74006
918-331-9681

Complete guarantee to rip you off????????

I totally agree with her there. I do not want the dog back or any of her breedings.
I have 2 vet documents stating that the dog looked good except the elongated palate.
She agreed to take him back. You have the dog and my money. I did nothing wrong. She told me she would return my money after she sold a puppy that I decided I did not want. She sold him and I got nothing. I am not telling any stories.
I did nothing wrong and she wont make me beleive I did. She has the dog and my $1500 and offers me nothing. Go ahead and sue me for slander. Everything I have said Is 100 percent the truth.
This Is the last time I am posting here. I am not wasting my time. If you were so positive nothing Is wrong with the dog why did I not get any documents? I offered you my vets name and phone # about 3 times. It also says right on the health certificate (elongated palate). And I am the bad person?

This story gets bigger each time it is told. Fact is, dog is healthy, no breathing problems, not too large and will never be returned to you or one of my breding ever sold to you again. Everyone in Ca. knows you too.Most people know there is more to this and you have nothing better to do than just tell story after story. I am going to resolve this as soon as it can be done.

Imogene Is the president of a dog club also.
I can not beleive she Is a president with the ethics she has. I have never had to return a dog before. I only have 2 other females and I was not going to use a male with an elongated palate.

I am sorry I am more ethical than that and I care about improving the breed. Of course the dog has gained weight as you have had him for over 2 months and he Is still a pup. You say he Is 25 pounds now, that means he will probably be over 28 which Is another DQ for show. You sold him to me as show/breeding quality.
Here Is Imogene's web site of her club.

http://www.onofrio.com/jodstwo/
clubs/ABCbystate/states/abcok/bart.html

Here Is what she says about altering dogs and that AKC wont know If you do or not.

Here are her exact words.

AKC does not know if you clip pallet Lisa. Everybody does it and most of the bulldog and pug and boston people do too.

I am not going to fight anymore. You told me you would sell that one pup I was supposed to take and he would be about 11 weeks old right now.
She called me once and wanted me to take him back and said she would get a letter from her vet stating he did not need surgery. I want to know If he had an elongated palate or not. 2 of my vets said he had a elongated palate and needed extensive testing done on him.
I am not fighting anymore. I hope you feel good about yourself but I doubt It even bothers you.
I just pray for you.

I take excellent care of my dogs because my dogs are pets. I do not keep them in dirt pens.
I am not arguing anymore. You know who Is In the wrong.

My dogs stay inside or out on the grass when it Is Is nice out. I am not a dog breeder and my pets are not caged. I have heard so much about you. I have heard about all your faulty dogs.

You were even disqualified from a show for a dog with faults. You even tried to convince me to show even If the dog needed palate surgery.
Where Is my letter from your vet????
Did you forget to send it to me??

I gave you my vets name and phone # twice.
My vet will be in the office tomorrow, why dont you give him a call??

My vet Is waiting to hear from you, he would like to talk with you.
How about I have him call you tomorrow, oh but you wont answer the phone cause you have caller ID dont you?

The whole French Bulldog Club of S. California knows of you and your ways.

When Lisa called to report the dog she purchased had two cherry eyes and a long pallette to the point the dog was too fat and could not breathe, i was very concerned and wanted my dog to be returned. Any breeder of French Bulldogs, knows they do not get cherry eyes.

This dog was shipped back to me cargo, taking from 8:00a.m. to 10:30p.pm. A very concerned breeder or owner does not ship the cheap way. After having the dog checked by my vet,he weighed only eighteen pounds at nine months of age and had severe eye irrataion, due to dirt pen, was skinney, due to being fed raw hamburger and cereal, mixed in blender by Lisa, and did not have a long pallett.

Is now at a beautiful twenty-five pounds, slick coat, no eye or breathing problems, runs and plays and is very happy to be home where he is well taken care of at all times. Lisa sighned a contract to have her money returned only if there were any genetic health problems. Not ones induced by poor ownership.

Any breeder knows how this works I can only pray that nobody falls in her trap of selling her another dog! Imogene