Complaint Review: Creative Mouse - Joel Mottinger - Claire Mottinger - Portland Oregon

He's still at it. He scammed me out of doing work for three companies that had given him up front payments. I never got paid and the companies never got anything. He had promised them anything to get about $5000 per company. Even worse... he gave me a bad check. I'd called the bank before cashing it; they said the account had been closed 6 months prior. They also told me to contact the police, because he'd been running around writing bad checks. I met with him in person and confronted him about it. He actually sat across from me, looked me in the eye, and told me it was a good check and that everything would be ok... You cannot trust the guy at all.

Luckily I did not do business with him...But after finding his company and suspecting something, I had him researched and he committed a felony in CA, and was sentenced to probabtion for trying to pass off a forged check. Not a bounced check, but a check written fraudulently off of another persons account and made payable to him. I believe my source said he was arrested in El Monte, CA and went through the local court system there. Be very wary and don't trust anything this guy has to say!

I bet the Bankruptcy court would be interested in knowing that you were paying him while he was in bankruptcy. I bet he didn't list any of the money you paid him and I bet you didn't get a letter from the trustee instructing you to pay the trustee instead of him. Verrrrrily interrresting.

What Mr. Joel Mottinger did not disclose is that his company is not a company at all. He filed for bankruptcy in August of 2005 only two days before sending our company a contract listing names phony employees who would be working on the roomq22.com project. Without telling any of our staff, he then proceeded to outsource us to an Indian company, even though we had explicitly told him that we wanted to work with a company in the United States and not in India as we already had a bad experience over there. As for the work to be completed. He detailed on the contract exactly what his team would do. They did none of the work, since he did not have a team at all. Instead, as we found out three months into the project that he had outsourced our work to India and that the team working on that project did not answer to Creative Mouse at all. While we continued to pay for "billable hours," by the developers, Mr. Mottinger refused to use that money to pay the developers, even though this was his reasoning for billing us even more than the initial $5,000 the project was projected to cost. The end result was that our company was held blackmail by the Indian company AIVEA and we had to pay there developers an additional $8,000 that Mr. Mottinger refused to pay just to get our source code back, and we did not even hire them, nor did Joel Mottinger let us know about his plans to outsource to them. Buyer beware, these piranhas are out there and Creative Mouse LLC is one of the worst. Joel is right about one thing: there are two sides to every story, but in this case, his side is not telling the truth, and we have the documents to prove it.

What Mr. Joel Mottinger did not disclose is that his company is not a company at all. He filed for bankruptcy in August of 2005 only two days before sending our company a contract listing names phony employees who would be working on the roomq22.com project. Without telling any of our staff, he then proceeded to outsource us to an Indian company, even though we had explicitly told him that we wanted to work with a company in the United States and not in India as we already had a bad experience over there. As for the work to be completed. He detailed on the contract exactly what his team would do. They did none of the work, since he did not have a team at all. Instead, as we found out three months into the project that he had outsourced our work to India and that the team working on that project did not answer to Creative Mouse at all. While we continued to pay for "billable hours," by the developers, Mr. Mottinger refused to use that money to pay the developers, even though this was his reasoning for billing us even more than the initial $5,000 the project was projected to cost. The end result was that our company was held blackmail by the Indian company AIVEA and we had to pay there developers an additional $8,000 that Mr. Mottinger refused to pay just to get our source code back, and we did not even hire them, nor did Joel Mottinger let us know about his plans to outsource to them. Buyer beware, these piranhas are out there and Creative Mouse LLC is one of the worst. Joel is right about one thing: there are two sides to every story, but in this case, his side is not telling the truth, and we have the documents to prove it.

What Mr. Joel Mottinger did not disclose is that his company is not a company at all. He filed for bankruptcy in August of 2005 only two days before sending our company a contract listing names phony employees who would be working on the roomq22.com project. Without telling any of our staff, he then proceeded to outsource us to an Indian company, even though we had explicitly told him that we wanted to work with a company in the United States and not in India as we already had a bad experience over there. As for the work to be completed. He detailed on the contract exactly what his team would do. They did none of the work, since he did not have a team at all. Instead, as we found out three months into the project that he had outsourced our work to India and that the team working on that project did not answer to Creative Mouse at all. While we continued to pay for "billable hours," by the developers, Mr. Mottinger refused to use that money to pay the developers, even though this was his reasoning for billing us even more than the initial $5,000 the project was projected to cost. The end result was that our company was held blackmail by the Indian company AIVEA and we had to pay there developers an additional $8,000 that Mr. Mottinger refused to pay just to get our source code back, and we did not even hire them, nor did Joel Mottinger let us know about his plans to outsource to them. Buyer beware, these piranhas are out there and Creative Mouse LLC is one of the worst. Joel is right about one thing: there are two sides to every story, but in this case, his side is not telling the truth, and we have the documents to prove it.

Creative Mouse inititally responded to an ad to finish the last 5% of project that had been completed in India by another group of programmers. It seemed like a fairly easy project and we began work immediately. Upon recieving the contract we began to get into some serious issues. We found out that the Client lied and misrepresented the project. No work had been done or what was done was not given to them for us to complete. We had to start from scratch. We use some outside resource from a company located in Portland Oregon to assist us in programming that went beyond our scope, they worked under our company name. The client was very difficult to work with due to their inexperience and lack of programming knoweledge. They based assumptions on input that was incorrect or invalid. We worked very hard to make this client happy and to deliver a quality product. We have been in business since 1989 and have very few complaints. We regret that there is a difference in opinion however we have references from many other clients that say the exact opposite regarding Creative Mouse.