Lighterman
Vancouver,#2Consumer Comment
Mon, November 25, 2013
I am surprised that any former or current DSHS/CPS worker could be so misinformed. Although bonuses are not paid to individual workers, they are paid to the State for every child that is adopted out of the social services or welfare system.
Please refer to Federal "Social Security Title IV". On top of being the reason that the Social Security system is going broke. Title IV of the Federal Code explains how Bonuses are paid to every State, for these adoptions. Along with reimbursement for ALL the costs associated with this child or case. Bonuses were $6000. for every child and $10,000 - $25,000 for every "Special Needs" child. This is why they send all the kids to people at Mental Health. Most are then considered as "Special Needs" children. ( Note that the dollar figures are from 2006, and may have changed)
The leaders of our State governments, along with others misuse this policy of reimbursement to cover State shortfalls and to help out their fellow Government Employees by providing jobs, and much much more. Corruption is out of control on this issue and it extends into many other areas of influence, including the War on Drugs!
With these facts, and please verify for yourself, it does not take much speculation to realize the potential for abuse. Yes, children are being kidnapped by DSHS workers. Both from the push being made by their Bosses, as well as the moral outcry to protect the abused children.....as well as the need to avoid the lawsuits brought by any party that feels they have been wronged.
I can attest from personal experience, from 2 seperate viewpoints, on each side of the situation, that they take kids without having to prove anything happened. Why? Because they do not have to. This is Family Court, or Civil Court, not Criminal Court. The standard of evidence is not the same, they don't have to prove anything "beyond a shadow of doubt"
I was involved in a case where there was an accusation of drug use by the Mother. The person making the complaint had no first hand knowledge of this, only a speculation, and this person had a reason to want revenge on the family, that was hidden from the Court. To make a long story short, both Parents lost custody of their 6 month old baby, the marriage was destroyed, 2 careers were destroyed, a home was reposessed and the child suffered long term damage from being seperated from the only 3 people that were her life. Parental rights were taken from them forever.
All this....and more, more damage than I care to relate, was dumped on the family, and NEVER was there EVER a positive test for drugs or alcohol. And never was there ever any abuse of the child. That is the only thing both sides agreed on. All of this can be proven in a court of law, with physical proof that there was no drug use. Proof that was hidden from the court. But now there is no venue that this argument can be heard. You cannot bring new evidence up on appeal.
So, yes they do get a bonus and yes they are destroying lives.......everyday! It's not a matter of whether they are right or not. They are not helping anyone. Abuse is not that common, most is done by DSHS and the Foster Families. I submit that proof is in the fact that almost every accusation of abuse, where children are taken from their homes, is never taken to criminal court or even evaluated for a criminal charge. These people being accused are shunned by everyone they know, even family. Because in the back of everyone's mind, they are thinking that "something must have happened, or CPS would not be involved". So the accused are abandoned and some never recover from this isolation and despair.
Robert
Vancouver,#3Consumer Comment
Sat, May 13, 2006
To whom it may concern: The case clased several months ago with the finding of Tracy and Robert being exceptional parents and the children being released back to their totaly custody. They where not removed from the home at all during the 2nd case, however there was an in-home dependance. When the dependance went into effect, we had already done all they had asked us to which is why they left the children with us. We went thought about a dozen parenting classes, phycological evaluations, ect. Both of us were found normal in our phyc's and voluntarily went to the parenting classes, just to find more bits and pieces that may work better, as well as new friends and supportive resources should we need them. Garrett, the child with choking problem's, was diagnosed with extream reflux and put on zantac. Since being on the zantac, there have been no further problems and the doctors have all stated we did everything right, the reflux was causing it for him. Yes, I will admit that in the very begining of the first case there was things that we were not doing right, but we corrected those then. I was not good at cleaning and started learning right away. (FYI- there is a great website that helped me tremendousely in learning this skill. It was flylady Very helpful!) Yes, I was carless back in 2000 when it comes to my sleeping habits. I stayed up too late and was not as attentive as I needed to be. However, before the first case even closed back in 2000, I learned to change that and ever since have woke very easily. The courts even admitted that we did nothing wrong the 2nd time around, from 2004-2005. It was just a good run of bad luck and circumstances. I learned from the whole waiting period with john's leg, and no longer wait for anything. any questions or concerns go diertly in to doctor, no calling first, or go straight to the ER. We have become fully self-sufficient (no longer on the system of any kind) and etream child activists. We care for our children as well a several others now. For lack of better explanation, we have become simaliar to a poster family of CPS in the sence that we have improved to the way they would like to see every home ran. The case worker causing all the problems and started the dependance action at the end of 2004, was reprimanded, and demoted severly for sending us to dependancy and we were told that she was also fired after doing it to several other families as well, although I dont know for sure, nor do i care. I care that my children are safe and out of harms way. For all of you who talked bad about us, shame on you! YOu should be ashamed of yourself for haveing no family values and no hearts. No matter how much information was typed here, you will never know everything or have the right to condem until you walk in our shoes. Even then you have no right to judge us, only GOD does and I dont believe he left you in charge. For those of you that supported us, thanks for your understanding and knowing that everyone makes mistakes and everyone deserves a chance. Nobody is perfect, not me, not you, not CPS. Last but definatly not least, the one who said our kids should be taken and us not allowed near children should look in a mirror. You obviously have no children or are a CPS worker who is just like the one who got in trouble. I forgive you for being so out of line and rude, but i will never forget it. God willing you will never have to endure what we have, unless of course you deserve it, which it does appear that way by your comments. Good Bless everyone and have a great life!
Robert
Vancouver,#4REBUTTAL Individual responds
Sat, May 13, 2006
i have 5 now wa has even emitted that it was there fault and now i have 5 kids and i drive truck so i guess you can belev what you want but yes the lady at the hospital was fired and 3 WA STATE WORKER where fired so i guess you can judge all you want it just make you look like an a*s when the truth comes out so sorry guys we were right we are good parent ow by the way the state of wa got 2 million for taking my kids and the lost too
Pete
Valley View,#5Consumer Comment
Mon, February 20, 2006
First of all, why in the h*ll is a 17 year old male living with a 25 year old female? Did she plan to adopt him? During the entire diatribe, Robert makes only ONE reference to his attempt at holding a job. He admits when Tracy finally went to work (for only one or two days), it was something new for him to take care of the kids because she had always been there. For how many years have the taxpayers been supporting these sorry excuses for 'parents?' The kids should be taken away from them permanently and placed in a caring, loving home. And I hope for the sake of the kids, this happens soon. People like Robert and Tracy should be prohibited from reproducing!
Gail
Chesterfield,#6UPDATE Employee
Mon, February 20, 2006
Hello A from Vancouver- I am very pleased to read a post that makes sense on the subject of CPS. "L" from Oklahoma has been posting nonsense for several years about how Childrens Protective Services workers get "bonuses" by ripping children out of perfectly good homes. This is not true on any level. The court will not authorize the removal of children for minor reasons and they certainly would not terminate a parents rights unless there were "compelling evidence" that the children had been severely harmed by the parents. I have been doing this job for many years- if there were bonuses involved I could have retired a long time ago. As far as removing children from homes for bogus reasons- how would a CPS worker benefit from this? If I do not find evidence of abuse/neglect, I move on to the next case. It seems like every person who posts with a complaint about CPS seems to think that the worker "had it out for them". Sounds a little paranoid to me. Childrens services workers are too busy seeing clients and doing tons of paperwork to trump up charges against "innocent parents". "L" get your head out of the sand and do something productive with your life!
A
Vancouver,#7UPDATE Employee
Thu, January 19, 2006
There are always 2 sides 2 every story/report, persons describe themselves glowingly well & many of the things declared to have happened are unlikely to have occurred the way stated. Children are rarely Ever taken by Washington state CPS based on 1 persons report (IE the Hospital Employee that started the original report)without lots of evidence or corroberation of some kind of an identified or reasonably suspected problem or issue with meeting ALL of the Child's needs, it's considered by society the responsibility of the agency,if a thourough investigation is not performed, they are damned by all. if something happens, if no action or not strong enough action is taken & a child is harmed in any way it's looked at as thier fault.....even though parents or guardians are usually at fault by either causing harm themselves or allowing it to happen due to not paying close enough attention,(and I do not mean regular bumps/bruises/acidents)for your children or pets to allegedly tear up a completely clean, neat home while both parents slept means you either are too heavy sleepers or were somehow impaired, if you didn't wake to that, was it the 1st time? you certainly could not hear a child coughing or choking if you couldn't hear that could you? or someone breaking in, and if that heavy of sleepers & home needed childproofing, maybe it just wasn't appearing to be a reasonably safe environment. for cleanliness of your home to be mentioned at nearly every contact you describe means there was a problem there that was evident. there are many free resources to Parents/Family members and others in the way of counseling, parenting classes, anonymous parenting groups.....call any Community services office switchboard and ask them to mail you free community resources guide for your area. poster was obviously not concerned with protecting anyone,could have used first initials & last names-it shows complete lack of parental concern or human decency for you to post your childrens names & ages & dob on a website-are you a total ignoramus,it's like saying to intelligent predators, here we are, see how easy it will be for you to find us! you were more concerned with noteriaty for yourself than protecting them,as the info will remain in cyberspace. ****The reponse from the supposed (I really doubt it)ex worker was not from washington state and cannnot make blanket statements regarding how Washington DSHS handles cases,workers do not recieve any bonus' or rewards for placing more children from loving homes to adoption, the Children languishing in Fostercare in this country for long periods of time that are already classified as adoptable are Children whose parents rights have already been lost,in washington State, every chance is given (sometimes for too long it seems) for parent(s) to get a chance to clean up thier act,and God bless anyone willing to adopt these children, those PARENTS get great adoption support services that you may think of as bonus'-if a State places more kids into good homes (there are never enough by the way)they SHOULD get bonus -those bonus are used to do improvements / expansions of same services,more money to do more of the same work.it does not benefit individual employees. just like states who have lower error rates for food assistance gets bonus, most do outreach to get food to more people in thier communities, Adoption is always better than fostercare (which I admit most All States toss them out at 18 with nothing)that's another topic. the bonus information is not correct-for rules & regulations regarding laws in washington state anyone can go to www.ACCESSWASHINGTON.COM and those responsible for website-why word rapist in title?
L.
OklahomaCounty, Oklahoma,#8UPDATE EX-employee responds
Mon, December 06, 2004
Look at the reports about the amount of bonus money that has been paid to each state. You will be surprised how many billion dollars DHS/CPS has already received from Medicare and Social Security. They ASFA says there is NO limit on the amount of money DHS can get from Medicare and Social Security for adopting children. ALL expenses plus bonus money is paid to DHS. DHS agencies have employee contests and orders from supervisors, managers and agency directors to "do anything in your power to take more children into custody, permanently place them, remove parenting rights and then adopt them." IT'S ALL ABOUT BONUS MONEY! I hope you'll contact your legislators and congressional representatives and send them the information you have in this site. They need to KNOW what is really going on so laws can be written to stop the horrors! Just remember that caseworkers are under EXTREMELY HEAVY pressure, almost unbearable, to get the BONUS MONEY for their agency ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. Thanks for putting YOUR story on the site so word will spread about the HORRORS this governmental agency is doing to our little children and our parents. It's criminal activities being performed from within our own country! Terrorism from DHS/CPS agencies FOR BONUS MONEY! DHS cannot be trusted!!!! They've changed their primary focus from care to bonus money and awards. Remember that DHS/CPS workers are under VERY heavy pressure from supervisors, management and agency directors! Several DHS employees have resigned or have been fired over the application of the ASFA. Some have been fired from their job for 'whistle-blowing' about what is going on inside the agency. They'll do anything! MANY DHS caseworkers are suffering from the mental anguish they're under from higher authority. State legislators need to take a confidential poll about the pressures from inside their job. Of course, they will likely be afraid to tell the truth for fear they'll be fired for being a whistle-blower to the legislature. DHS reports (1) their employee turnover rate is too high, (2) it takes to long to train new employees and (3) they don't know what to do with the father of a child. What DHS should do is help communities have more easily accessible parenting classes and anger management classes. Inform schools and parents about the classes. Provide materials to churches to help them have parenting classes and anger management classes. KEEP THE COST DOWN so that young parents can afford to take the class. If a parent feels the need for attending classes, encourage them to attend. Don't make them feel guilty for trying to get help to be better parents. Churches need to hold parenting classes that are free to parents and children. Churches need to have anger management classes. There's just so much pressure from non-family activities and so LITTLE encouragement for families to do things together FOR THE FAMILY! Parents need to use VALUE time to be with their children. Focus on the children or DHS will focus on them FOR BONUS MONEY! DHS, DHS contractors, foster homes, adoptive homes and the court system are all being given ENORMOUS amounts of bonus money to speed up the adoption process FOR BONUS MONEY from the ASFA. Read the "Adoption 2002: Safe and Permanent Homes for ALL Children" and you'll understand why DHS is doing the things they're doing to you and your young family. The court system is being given bonus money, too, for speeding the adoptions. It's criminal activities within state agencies promoted by the Clinton Administration and furthered by President Bush. I hope that as HHS Director, Tommy Thompson, leaves President Bush's Cabinet, a new HHS Director will replace him who will help get the ASFA rescinded to SAVE THE CHILDREN! I hope the NEW HHS Director will help SAVE the families! How long will our country be able to exist if the BONUS and AWARDS money continues through 2008? Medicare will close their doors and there will be NO more Social Security for future Americans. Read the reports for yourself and you'll see. Look at the budget that the U.S. Congressional Appropriations Committee has given to HHS for their programs! Read about how the money is being used to damage families and mangle little children. Remember, the HHS BUDGET does not include the BONUS MONEY from the ASFA. That money comes from Medicare and Social Security ... of course, they ARE a part of HHS though. When the child is placed in foster care, the foster parents get large amounts of money to help the child with their disabilities, including the emotional disabilities DHS has forced on them. Read how much money a foster parent receives in your state. That doesn't include the extra benefits they receive. EVERY child taken into DHS custody is immediately diagnosed as Emotionally Disabled so they can be placed on Medicare and SSI. That money flows into DHS, too. Most of it is used to pay the foster parents and contractors. Even more money is fed to them so they can pay their other contractors (psychologists, dentists, psychiatrists, counseling services, etc.) The problem is that if ANY of their contractors fail to follow the recommendations of DHS, they lose their monied contracts with DHS. It's ALL about money! You would be surprised if you knew just how many people actually CONTRACT through DHS for their services! Hang in there! BE SURE that both of you and each of your children keep continued accurate notes and recordings of EVERYTHING that goes on between you and DHS OR any other of their volunteers or contractors. IT'S ALL ABOUT BONUS MONEY! There are laws that state that if DHS can manage to keep your children in foster care for 15 out of 24 months, they have more power to remove parenting rights so they can adopt your children to their choice of parents. Their story goes, "The children have become adjusted to the foster home and it is in the BEST interest of the children to adopt them to that home." It's very strange to me that if you miss a class that they order, it's VERY, VERY BAD but if they are three weeks late or three months late in getting a report to you, it's fine. Of course, when you do finally get the report, you'll find where they've marked out lots of the information that they don't want YOU to know they have on their records. I've found that the best thing to do when you deal with DHS is the be SURE you keep a copy of every sheet of paper and every report. They'll say, "It's lost, stolen or has been misplaced!" BE sure to keep a copy BEFORE you give a copy to DHS. Don't let even ONE sheet go by without having a copy for yourself AS IT IS when you signed it. Don't sign ANYTHING unless you get a copy THAT DAY! They have been known to add things to the sheet AFTER you sign the document. You CANNOT trust any DHS worker. If you THINK you can trust one, be very careful because they'll put another caseworker on the case and you'll lose. IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY! As in our case, you'll likely find fictitious witnesses, lies, intermingled case files. They'll do anything to take more children into custody so they can adopt them for BONUS MONEY! DHS is NOW in the process of trying to get the "faith community" involved to HELP them adopt more children. They are trying to get laws re-written so the faith community will feel more comfortable helping take more children into custody and adopting them out FOR BONUS MONEY! Churches are hiring DHS employees or DHS contractors to work in their nurseries and child care departments and children's organizations so they can find more children to take into custody AND adopt. Of course, DHS workers attend churches looking for children who might be prospects for their care. It's a NO WIN situation as long as the ASFA is in place. They will do ANYTHING to take another child in so they can adopt him/her for the BONUS MONEY! The ASFA is currently in place through the year 2008. So be aware, your children will likely be among those they'll receive BONUS MONEY for. Do what you can to prevent that from happening but remember their primary interest is in BONUS MONEY and permanently emotionally damaging children for THEIR BENEFIT! Remember that caseworkers have been ORDERED to do ANYTHING in their power to swiftly adopt another child! I see signs around many restaurants and lots of TV advertisements for foster parents and adoptive homes. It's ALL about money! Once they place a child in a foster home, it's horrors for the children and parents from then on. There are even cases where parenting rights were removed and then they ADOPT the children BACK to one or both biological parents ALL FOR THE BONUS MONEY! BELIEVE ME! THEY'LL DO ANYTHING FOR THE BONUS MONEY! Join the AFRA ... American Family Rights Association. You'll learn more from other parents who have tried to keep their children and failed. IT'S ALL ABOUT BONUS MONEY! Read about the Rosa Parks Protest! She quotes Alex Haley and MLK. "Let my people go!" "Set the children free" and reunite them with their biological families. That will NOT happen as long as the ASFA and other laws giving bonus money to DHS are in place.