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  • Report:  #430502

Complaint Review: CARDINAL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY - CARDINAL LAW GROUP - Evanston Illinois

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CARDINAL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY - CARDINAL LAW GROUP
Evanston, 10003 Illinois, U.S.A.
Phone:
847-9057122
Web:
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Tell us has your experience with this business or person been good? What's this?
This organization is such a scam. If you have been contacted by them with some "seems too good to believe job offer", well, if it seems too good, duh. Cardinal routinely says that a search analyst will make $82.5K per year. This is a load of bull. This assumes that you are doing an average of 5 searches a week which is basically impossible. Also is impossible is Cardinal's accounting practices for employees. Currently our law firm -- i.e., a REAL law firm, with REAL attorneys, as opposed to fake ones at Cardinal -- has filed an IRS complaint on Cardinal for false reporting of Federal income taxes. This is one of the shadiest groups of rejects from India and the former Eastern Bloc that you will run into: BEWARE!!!

If you are a patents lawyer, registered patents agent or examiner, or a newly-licensed attorney looking for work, BEWARE if contacted by Cardinal Intellectual Property. This is a SHAM organization run by a bunch of Indian and Russian immigrants on Green Cards filing phony patent searches. You will typically be screened by an American named Brian Goddard (a/k/a 'Dr.' Goddard or Brian Goddard, Ph.D., another SCAM since he holds no higher degree than a bachelors in computer science from Notre Dame). Dr. Goddard will ask you a bunch of run-of-the-mill questions about patent searching. Truth be told, you could say anything short of Bozo-the-Clown told me to apply and you will be hired. You will then be outsourced to a group of so-called SAO's or 'search approving officials'.

These individuals -- none of whom is licensed to practice law in any jurisdiction mind you -- vary between benign neglect with little if any interest in the searches you file, to the very nearly pathologically obsessive, finding fault in such things as a misplaced comma or semi-colon in your opinion. The routine is basic 'good cop bad cop' the reason for this is that Cardinal, despite all of their fine overtures of hiring you on for a 'career', is merely farming out work to temporary attorneys who they pay pittance for a draconian level of work. Sometimes do the math after you start working for them, it will come out to less than $10 per hour maybe even less.

Cardinal typically hires and fires at will. One day, you will be receiving a litany of compliments and kudos from a variety of people, and the next, bingo -- a request for you to return 'corporate property' (several pieces of plastic crap to enter restricted websites) and threats of 'harassing' them. The method is to lure high-technically trained individuals into a job that they otherwise would not take, get them there while the work load is up, and when it drops, simply fire and terminate en masse. Blatant misrepresentation of a variety of websites, career boards and even in academia supports the false recruiting effort so beware!!! If you have another job offer, take it! You will be falling into a trap where you FOREGO OTHER BENEFITS TO WORK FOR THESE SCAM ARTISTS.

If you have been scammed by Cardinal as a former employee, all hope is not lost -- especially if you ARE a licensed attorney, as opposed to a phony one. One 'SAO' paraded his credentials as if he was some kind of Arthur Miller on the Patents Bar until we checked his licensure -- turned out he was still a 2L in some third tier law school in Chicago. Start out by running their license on martindale.com, and REMEMBER: UNLICENSED PRACTICE OF LAW IS MISDEMEANOR IN IL., AND IN ANY EVENT EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN BY THE ABA. Write down names, numbers, copy emails and turn it into as many bar associations as you can, CA and IL are a good place to start: www.cabar.org. Report as many of them as you can remember to the Bar associations wherein they will likely seek licensure.

In California, for example, a letter from an attorney, duly licensed, petitioning against the Good Moral Character of a law student will be given every consideration, e.g., In re petition of Sujay Koneru, a matter currently pending before the Bar. My considered belief is that some of these Cardinal 'lawyers' need to have their green cards revoked and get on their way back to Mumbai.

Stay away from these guys. Lest they foul up your resume, stall your career, waste your time, and postpone your life.

Jodi-ann

New York, New York

U.S.A.


6 Updates & Rebuttals

CIP_Abused

Illinois,
United States of America
Cardinal utilizes scientist to train attorneys, the PCT program IS a abusive program.

#2UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sat, June 26, 2010

The PCT program is abusive, the one thing that needs to be done is procurement at the USPTO needs to be notified. Hope Smith (571-272-6565) has to by law investigate all claims made about companies that they have under contract. They have not received any complaints so far except mine. If the person who wrote this has a complaint as well they need to contact procurement as to what is going on, otherwise CIP gets to continue to abuse people. My letter is below and I will be sending it off to the Dept. of Labor since they have violated federal labor laws by having paid people less money then minimum wage. I call this a slave labor program.


Dear USPTO Hope Smith
 
I am writing the letter to disclose abuses by companies you hired to write PCT reports. The position is a lie and is tantamount to slave labor/indentured servitude. On many occasions I have performed work that took so long to complete that I made less then minimum wage. The contract stated I would make $300 per day, $78,000 pear year, no vacation, holidays, sick leave, or any other benefit besides health insurance. I made less than $35,000 last year and I am on par for making the same amount this year.

The position is designed for writing PCT reports, the searcher and writer get $300, and the reviewer gets $125. The problem with this is that the number of claims and the difficulty of the search could take up to 5 days or more for a search to be completed. The number of claims do matter. Private searches by companies are done by the number of claims, yet PCT searches are paid per search, even if it is 150 claims and 5 days of work it is still just $300. The USPTO confirmed to me that they do not pay their employees on a case per case basis since some cases take a long time, and nobody would work for them if that was the pay. So if the USPTO doesn't pay their own employees on a case per case basis, and private search firms don't charge on a case per case basis either, then why would the PCT program do this unless there was a desire to abuse people.

The reviewers are typically attorneys that do not understand science or engineering. Many reviewers send a case back asking for changes that do not make sense to those with experience in the field. Since the two companies doing PCT searches are both privately owned search firms the lawyers are always correct. Fighting over and over with inexperienced attorneys over their lack of education and/or experience or worse teaching them the science so they understand it and pass the case adds to the time spent at the positions, and lowers the overall wage.

The reviewers are also the classifiers and searchers themselves. They classify a case and then have the option to choose the cases they want, so only long and difficult cases are left over for the rest. Management swears they have people doing a case per day, but if you question them about case size they insist that is irrelevant. If case size didn't matter then why do private searchers and USPTO employees are not paid on a case per case basis (see above)?

So all in all the positions is a lie that is tantamount to slave labor, I personally have spent 10 days and over 100 hours on a case to just get paid $300, that is $3 per hour and much less then minimum wage. The position is not a case per day position and there is no working out in the wash. If the position was a case per day position then for every two day case I have I would end up with two cases taking a half day each. Whereas I have gotten many 2 day cases I have never had 2 cases in one day, and I have had about 3 cases that were half day searches. I have had many 2, 3 and even 4 day cases, not many 1 day or 8 hour cases. Finally I would like to point out to make the money I do make I work on Christmas, Easter, Memorial day, 4th of July.... There is not a day I do not work and since there is no vacation I have not had a vacation in several years since if I do I go hungry, or can't pay rent. As it is I cannot pay student loans, doctors, dentist or even by food this month without borrowing money.

It is a lawyer run business where scientists are indentured to the lawyers and the lawyers have no clue about science or engineering. For some reason I don't think this was it. If the contract I signed is invalid then the USPTO should not have allowed them the manage this program, nor take my finger prints and call me a USPTO subcontractor.

Anonymous.


Michael

Matthews, NC 28105,
North Carolina,
U.S.A.
Mostly true, but can the xenophobia already

#3UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tue, March 10, 2009

I read this report, and as a former searcher for Cardinal, I would say most of the business practices are true, including the inflated starting salaries and inconsistent supervision. However, I think the part about people practicing law without a license is silly, because a law license is not needed to perform (or review) a patent search, to the best of my knowledge. In fact, most patent examiners are not attorneys. Finally, whoever wrote this ought to be ashamed of herself for the blatant xenophobia displayed in her entry. Cardinal is a crappy company who treats their employees like Kleenex. Still, if you have a problem with them, stick to the facts, and not where their staff comes from. -Michael p.s. Also, if Jodi-ann follows through on her plan of retaliatory bar complaints, she may risk her own law license.


Myron

Augusta,
Georgia,
U.S.A.
But this is not true!

#4UPDATE EX-employee responds

Wed, March 04, 2009

Hello my name is Tabor K and I hold matriculation in the computer science. I have been of knowledge of the Cardinal Inteligent Property for years, and I have never had any problem. My wife and I moved here from Uzbekistan and this was an exceiting Opportunity. Currently, it is my pleasure to have worked on the Patent Searches we do four patent searches every three week or so, and for this, I earn the amount of $1200 dollars every month! It only takes me about two or three days or about 30 clock hours per search so I am fortunate and able to make a lot of money! Thank you Cardinal Law Group for being the proveider of help and assistance to the US Immigrantion community!


Myron

Augusta,
Georgia,
U.S.A.
But this is not true!

#5UPDATE EX-employee responds

Wed, March 04, 2009

Hello my name is Tabor K and I hold matriculation in the computer science. I have been of knowledge of the Cardinal Inteligent Property for years, and I have never had any problem. My wife and I moved here from Uzbekistan and this was an exceiting Opportunity. Currently, it is my pleasure to have worked on the Patent Searches we do four patent searches every three week or so, and for this, I earn the amount of $1200 dollars every month! It only takes me about two or three days or about 30 clock hours per search so I am fortunate and able to make a lot of money! Thank you Cardinal Law Group for being the proveider of help and assistance to the US Immigrantion community!


Myron

Augusta,
Georgia,
U.S.A.
But this is not true!

#6UPDATE EX-employee responds

Wed, March 04, 2009

Hello my name is Tabor K and I hold matriculation in the computer science. I have been of knowledge of the Cardinal Inteligent Property for years, and I have never had any problem. My wife and I moved here from Uzbekistan and this was an exceiting Opportunity. Currently, it is my pleasure to have worked on the Patent Searches we do four patent searches every three week or so, and for this, I earn the amount of $1200 dollars every month! It only takes me about two or three days or about 30 clock hours per search so I am fortunate and able to make a lot of money! Thank you Cardinal Law Group for being the proveider of help and assistance to the US Immigrantion community!


Myron

Augusta,
Georgia,
U.S.A.
But this is not true!

#7UPDATE EX-employee responds

Wed, March 04, 2009

Hello my name is Tabor K and I hold matriculation in the computer science. I have been of knowledge of the Cardinal Inteligent Property for years, and I have never had any problem. My wife and I moved here from Uzbekistan and this was an exceiting Opportunity. Currently, it is my pleasure to have worked on the Patent Searches we do four patent searches every three week or so, and for this, I earn the amount of $1200 dollars every month! It only takes me about two or three days or about 30 clock hours per search so I am fortunate and able to make a lot of money! Thank you Cardinal Law Group for being the proveider of help and assistance to the US Immigrantion community!

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