Robin
Waldron,#2Consumer Comment
Thu, August 21, 2003
This has been a long journey down the Alyon rabbit-hole and we still are not finished! It is nearly impossible to deal in facts in this case because there is obviously a campaign of misleading press, a much-too-quiet FTC, and disclaimers by Alyon. It is an exercise in frustration for all concerned.
Fact: Hundreds, if not thousands, of people were suddenly billed by Alyon Technologies without knowing who Alyon was or even what they were being billed for in many cases.
Fact: All these people found a stealth dialer in their computer and deny knowing where it came from or how it got there.
Fact: Alyon Technologies claims to be only the innocent third-party biller for another company in this case.
Fact: the FTC went into Alyon's Headquarters and found something they did not like. What that something was has never been made entirely clear, but I assume it was something to do with sneak dialers and (censored) bills.
Fact: Judge Story ruled against Alyon Technologies.
If I were Alyon Technologies, the absolute FIRST thing I would have done would be to give the FTC the name of the party that I was doing this third-party billing for.that would have immediately taken the heat off Alyon. WHO are they doing this innocent billing FOR? I do not think there has been a name offered up. Draw your own conclusions from this.
Victims are still under stress. It is bad enough to go to the mailbox and find an outlandish bill from some entity one has never heard of and then be hassled for months. There are still reports coming in concerning this and now Alyon has turned loose the collection dogs to exacerbate the situation. I do not think these victims have had a very peaceful last few months at all.
The lawsuit is not real or enforceable and at the same time it is very real. Reality lies not in what is written in a law book or what should be; it is what actually IS.
If the ED or any member of the staff has felt stress, anxiety, anger or any negative emotion from this suit, it is real with a life of its own. It has been and still is very REAL to them. There has been interference from it as far as cash flow, aggravation, and cash outlay trying to fend off Alyon.
From my point of view, it is still as real as your mama because it is creating real problems. Judging from the ED's comments above, there is still stress and aggravation over it and it will be so for some time yet. The action cost Alyon, alright, but that was Alyon's choice. I have a feeling it cost the ED even more.
So, Dan and Dan, I wish that I could be as cavalier over all this as you seem to be. I would love to just laugh and go on, calling it a big joke. My gauge of what a (censored)is and does goes deeper than yours, evidently.
One gauge is monetary. How much did the (censored) (censored)? Many people call that the absolute surest way to measure how big a (censored)is and stop there. We will not even begin to know that for months yet.
I like to look at the whole picture. What impact on the victim's quality of life occurs EVEN IF they get all their money back? There are many miserable people over this, and the uncertainty in the press is not helping. The harassment by bill collectors is not lowering any stress levels. How many people have become ill over this? How many people have already paid these bogus bills; perhaps even borrowing the money to do it, creating hardship for themselves and their families?
We have a victim/consumer advocate who has been turned into a victim over this. This is so bizarre that I will not even begin to address it, but will leave it to you to see the irony and unfairness of this situation. If you study it for awhile, I guarantee that it will come to you.
The longevity of this pack of nonsense is outrageous and something needs to be done NOW!
First, the FTC needs to put an update on its website in simple terms that even I could understand. Step-by-step:
Step 1: Receive bill from Alyon Technologies.
Step 2: Laugh hysterically for at least ten minutes.
Step 3: Go immediately to your computer and file a complaint with us, the FTC..
Well, you get my drift. Updates are needed as there has been too much monkey-business with the press. Straight from the FTC(perhaps they will read and heed; come on, guys. This is ridiculous. CLARIFY, SIMPLIFY)
Once this is done, Stephane Touboul needs to be dealt with before he can do any more damage. For him, I suggest exile to a deserted island with NO computers. He should be amply supplied with paper, goose quills, ink, and watertight bottles. He will then be free to prepare his bogus bills the old-fashioned way and pitch them into the ocean for the tides and currents to deliver. If anyone should choose to pay one of these bills, the remittance is to be made in the same way.
And now the lawyer.Mwa-ha-ha!
Since it is not specified I will assume that this lawyer is from the US for now. This lawyer undoubtedly pimped for his mother and sisters to get himself through law school. He then surely (censored) on the bar exam because he has no conception of right and wrong, let alone the LAW!
A prime example of a lawyer who works not for justice, but for the filling of his own pockets without regard to misery caused. He is a traitor to his own profession and should be disbarred immediately.
But, then what? I am willing to tolerate this person in this country about as much as I am willing to tolerate Touboul. Should he be exiled with his master? Might be interesting to watch two (censored) on a deserted island battle it out for supremacywe could put it on Pay-Per-View
(I use the male appellation simply because gender is unknown. If it turns out that the lawyer is female, just change the appropriate words).
The total damage inflicted by the Great Alyon Technologies (censored) will never be calculated because some of the damages are so insidious that they cannot be tallied. I think it should probably go in the Top Ten of the Top Twenty Greatest (censored) List.
Dan from Ohio: we may all need a cruise when this is over, but I will make my own travel arrangements if you don't mind. And I will steer clear of Nevis, where they seem to read law from the Book of Counted Sorrows. Thanks for your suggestion, though. I think it will be a while yet before I can make travel plans. Go ahead and go without me; I'll catch up later.
Dan from Maryland: I may not be thinking straight; perhaps I am trying to see too much of this picture. I am not a person of pure statistics; I believe in looking at things from both sides.
Everyone knows Alyon Technologies' goal; make an obscene amount of money as fast as possible. Not enough attention has been given to the other side of the coin; the victims and the toll on them. Doesn't matter what the FTC does now, damage has been done to many people. It is sad and makes me angry.
As for the movie.poor Mr. Belushi! I would hate to see anyone, living or dead, playing the Touboul role. But, if it has to be done the only possible person to do it is..TA-DA. Jabba the Hut!
ED, I look forward to the promised expose. Since you are a victim as well, it is only fair that you file a report. I am glad to hear that you are not gagged. This whole thing gags me, though..
Peace, guys, and freedom from Alyon Technologies and all like them!
Robin
Waldron,#3Consumer Comment
Wed, August 20, 2003
I forget at times that the whole world does not enjoy freedom of the press as we do under the Constitution. Silly me; since I am reading this in the U.S., I feel that everything must fall under our guidelines. My mistake. I was not paying attention to the part of this that I should have been paying heed to.
I live here, though, and some of the Alyon material is mine. It was written on U.S. soil. U.S. citizens are being affected by Alyon. There is probably some legal recourse available, but it would certainly be expensive and time consuming. Simply disregard my First Amendment rant if it does not apply in this case.
Why do you think that this case was filed in the Caribbean in the first place? Alyon's lawyers are not so stupid as to spend money filing nonsense suits that won't count for anything.
Here is the badbusinessbureau.com legal address(which is available on this site if you had done your homework):
badbusinessbureau.com, llc
WORLD HEADQUARTERS:
H. & F. Henville Building
Prince Charles Street -suite 2
Charlestown, Nevis Island, West Indies
St. Kitts
If badbusinessbureau.com were located in the United States, I am sure that the ED and everyone else WOULD be rolling in the aisles with laughter. However, the case was filed in the proper jurisdiction as near as I can tell. Meaning that these rulings are legal and binding. Alyon has done damage and is still doing damage to this site.
From the facts I have, this suit is neither a joke nor a laughing matter! Assets have been frozen and fines have been and are being levied. DAILY! The rulings are enforceable. It is real, Dan.a source for great concern.
So, you may get on the fleabag steamer and take the cruise yourself to check things out. While you are there find out the name of the judge so I can write a personal note to him/her. I did not put all I would like to have said in the previous report by any means. Be careful that you do not piss them off while you are there, though; you may not have any rights as you and I understand them.
I have just presented the facts available to me publicly. The ED is the only one who can tell us the whole truth of the matter and he seems to be under a gag order. From what I can see, this is as real as your mama!
Dan
Cockeysville,#4Consumer Comment
Wed, August 20, 2003
Robin, you are a great gal, but are not thinking straight. Why are you taking Alyon's PR garbage for the truth? It is the art of the lie.
They had to go to some make-believe court in a dinky little Caribbean island that my Rand McNally had trouble finding to get a decision that doesn't mean a thing. An American judge would have tossed Alyon's clumsy ,ludicrious attempt to change the the First Amendment out in a milli-second. It appears they had to pay $15,000 for this dopey, useless decision in order to get some PR material out of it.
It was so farcial that I almost choked on my morning onion bagel. Mel Brooks could do a whole movie involving Alyon. The late John Belushi would have been a great Stephane.
"Alyon Demands FTC Change its Press release" I spoke to the Information Officer at the FTC who laughed. "We get this all the time,"he said, "the FTC wins in court and the losing company's PR firm tries to spin it into some sort of victory."
Judge Story threw out Alyon's "Demands"
Dan
Toledo,#5Consumer Suggestion
Wed, August 20, 2003
Save your rant about the US Constitution. They don't use it in the Caribbean.
Read the actual press release, it's a great laugh!
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Badbusinessbureau.com Found in Contempt of Court in Alyon Case
NEW YORK, July 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Alyon Technologies Inc. ("Alyon") announced today that the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court in the High Court of Justice, Federation of Saint Christopher and Nevis has found the company "Badbusinessbureau.com, LLC" in contempt of Court for failing to comply with a Court Order issued after Alyon brought a lawsuit against the company alleging defamation and seeking damages.
The Order, issued on March 28, 2003, stipulated that Badbusinessbureau.com not publish or distribute defamatory or derogatory material about Alyon on any of its Web sites, including http://www.ripoffreport.com/, or . In addition, the Court granted an injunction against Badbusinessbureau.com to freeze its assets of up to US$10,000,000.
Badbusinessbureau.com failed to disclose its assets, and on April 15, 2003 was found in contempt of Court. It was further ordered to pay attorney's fees and fines totaling EC$15,000 and EC$1,000 per day until compliance. A further contempt order for not removing the offending postings is expected to be issued shortly.
"We were very pleased with the Court's decision to order Badbusinessbureau.com to cease publishing defamatory statements about Alyon," said Stephane Touboul, president, Alyon. "Alyon is committed to delivering a safe and viable alternative to consumers for online billing services, and our policies and procedures are in full compliance with all applicable federal and state laws and regulations."
So who gives a rats a*s what scumbag (censored) court in the Carribean says? That's how desperate and (censored)this company is - getting a little flea bag court on some crap hole island that's run on laundered drug money to issue an injuction. Like that has any weight anywhere. Its actually a good laugh. What moron at Alyon thought this was going to get them anything. You think the FTC even cares. Can you imagine bringing this up in any US court? The judge would fall off the bench laughing. Is BadBusinessBureau going to surrender its assets now to the "Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court". Here's an idea - book a criuse with Ramada Plaza Resorts on thier Fleabag tramp steamer, maybe they have a port of call in Nevis and you can go bow down to the authority of the mighty "Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court" . Just don't piss off the "Western Caribbean Supreme Court" - you don't want the entire weight of the Caribbean justice system after you.