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  • Report:  #33258

Complaint Review: T Mobile aka VoiceStream - Bellevue Washington

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- brooklyn, NY,
Submitted:
Updated:

T Mobile aka VoiceStream
Bellevue, 98027 Washington, U.S.A.
Phone:
888-573-6664
Web:
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Tell us has your experience with this business or person been good? What's this?
Let me start with the beginning. 3 months ago I was one of thousands more-or-less satisfied (then) Voice Stream customer with a cheap and lousy monthly plan and almost no problems. Then I learned about so-called Family Plan whereas you pay $70 for 800 minutes for 2 lines and $10 for every additional line. So, I decided that plan was what I really needed. Then the nightmare began.

Here is what happened. I had a $20, 60-min plan with VS (at the time I was not on the contract anymore). My father-in-law had a $30 plan with VS (on a contract). My own mom had a prepaid one from AT&T as did my wife and my brother-in-law. So, somewhere in July I placed a call to T Mobile and asked them if that was possible to upgrade my and my father-in-law's plans to one 5-lines Family Plan.

Sure, they said (I spoke with 3 different reps, and all of them gave me the same info). The only thing that has to be done - since your father-in-law is on contract with us - he will need to sign a Change of Responsibility form, which can be handled by our sales office (820 3rd Ave., Brooklyn, NY 11232).

So, armed with this knowledge, I called my local TM sales office (718-788-6700) and as soon as a sales rep. Mr. Val Mullings (917-915-1119) there learned I was a business owner, he convinced me to go for a business plan instead. He offered same terms plus promised to wave activation fee if I open a business account. So, he took my credit card information and faxed me a Change of Responsibility form which I promptly had my father-in-law to sign.

My phones and documentations arrived very fast. Then, I made 2 unpleasant discoveries: the bill showed no sign of waving activation fees, and instead of getting my and my father-in-law's existing telephone numbers (which was our original agreement) I now was getting 5 totally new ones!

So, I'm calling the guy and he's very apologetic. There is some problem with the central office, he says. I'll take care of this right away, he says. Just pop out the chip from your old phone, put it in your new one and tell your father-in-law do the same. And don't worry we'll credit you back to the day one!

Just to make a long story short: my new account was open on July 19th. Now, 3 months later, my and my father-in-law's accounts have still not been merged and they keep billing us for 3 SEPARATE ACCOUNTS!!! After lying to me about crediting to the day one on at least 15 different occasions, the sales rep finally said that there was nothing he could do and I should speak with his manager.

His manager Mr. Ray Ayella (917-815-6666) who I made an appointment with, never SHOWED UP first time I came to the office. Then he did meet with me and promised to call the next day. Guess what: that was 3 weeks ago. Not only did he never call me back, he also never picked up my calls (screening?), and never returned any of my 12 messages. He did pick up once when I called from a different phone, and then hung up immediately as soon as he heard my voice.

Needless to say, my experience with TM has been a nightmare. I am now stuck with 7 phone lines instead of 5 I initially requested! Since I opened my business account, our combined bills (my father-in-law's and mine) has come to $370 and they demand us to pay up before they even consider merging our accounts. They refuse to give any explanations as to why it hasn't been done before.

They keep referring me to the same sales office that ripped me off in the first place, or giving me the same useless fax number in New Mexico. Makes me bang my head against the wall! I have never expected such humiliation and disregard for customers and their needs from a huge nationwide US corporation. EVER!

For the sake of fairness, I have to say that unlike other posters, I have never experienced rudeness from TM CSRs. I have spoken to over than 20 customer service representatives and 8 supervisors. Some were more competent than others, but all people I've spoken with were unfailingly polite (then again, I don't have a habit of lashing out on people even if their employer is ripping me off). Most of them (aside of 2 characters from the sales office) appeared to be sincerely sympathetic to my ordeal and seamed to be trying to help.

It's just, I don't believe there was and IS anything they can do. I believe the TM structure and policies are designed in such a way that customer has no recourse whatsoever, no matter what! It's not that their staff is stupid or undertrained -- it is trained exactly the way the TM management want them to be.

Now comes a request. I am going to fight them, and I'd like to ask for assistance from TM current and ex-employees in regard to what I can do to make them pay attention (that is with understanding that I am a law-abiding sitizen, OK)?. TM employees: no matter where your loyalty stands, the way your company treats people is wrong and you know it! Note how secretive they are about giving any information that could disturb them. You can never talk with the same supervisor twice. Their complaint department is a P.O. Box and a fax number! They will do anything in order not to let a customer to have a meaningful 2-way conversation with anyone who's able to make a decision.

Perhaps you, T Mobile employees, could do something to make them start thinking about changing their ways. Please see if you could help me with the following:

1) Are there any Federal or State regulations they must follow that I don't know about? I understand they must be registered in at least 2 states: WA and NM. I would apreciate any advice or inside information on how to make them stop ignoring me.

2) I have prepared complaints to FCC, FTC, and Attorneys General (New York and Washington, so far) but haven't mailed them yet. To the best of your knowledge, have those complaints ever been effective in the past to bring resolution to a billing dispute?

4) From what I understand, TM is a subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom. Would Deutsche Telekom take interest in how TM rips people off?

5) Does anyone know the WORKING mailing address of the chairman John Stanton?

6) Finally, if all fails, any information that I could use to fight them in court will help.

For the flamers and trolls out there: do not bother. I know where I stand and your flames will be wasted on me. Those who would like to help, please post a response to this report by clicking on the rebuttal button at the bottom of the page.

Thanks for listenning.

andy

brooklyn, Oklahoma

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8 Updates & Rebuttals

DENISA

NASHUA,
New Hampshire,
United States of America
SAME ISSUES

#2General Comment

Tue, January 03, 2012

MY NAME IS DENISA  I LIVE IN MANCHESTER NH 
T MOBILE RIPPED ME OFF SO MANY TIMES I COULD CRY MY EYES OUT JUST THINKING ABOUT IT

I STARTED WITH THEM AND I HAD 2 LINES THEY BOTH OF MY PHONES WERE BLACKBERRY S AND I HAD INSURANCE ON BOTH,
MY PHONES BROKE 3 MONTHS AFTER I BOUGHT THEM THEY COMPLETELY FROZE.
I WENT TO THE STORE AND I WAS INFORMED I HAD NO INSURANCE, I WAS TALKED INTO BELIEVING THEM THIS AND PAID FOR 2 NEW BLACKBERRYS 600.00$

NOW I FINALLY CANCELED T MOBILE AND WENT TO VERIZON. 
T MOBILE CHARGED ME 800 DOLLARS FOR CANCELING TWO LINES,
I TALKED TO A SUPERVISOR WHO TOLD ME THAT YES I HAD INSURANCE ON MY PHONE AND NO THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO CHARGE ME FULL PRICE BUT "TO LATE" AND THAT THEY WANT THEY'RE MONEY I TOLD HIM THAT I WILL GO TO COURT AND I WILL DO ANYTHING I NEED TO DO BUT I WILL NEVER PAY THEM 800.00 $ UNTIL I GET MY MONEY BACK. I AM SO SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO TROUGH THIS HELL.

ON TOP OFF IT ALL T MOBILE IS A VERY RACIST COMPANY SO IF YOU HAVE A LAST NAME THAT DOESNT SOUND AMERICAN THEY WILL RIP YOU OFF IN ANY WAY THEY CAN 


Jen

Arlington,
Texas,
U.S.A.
FCC to the rescue!

#3Consumer Suggestion

Thu, May 29, 2003

Andy, I had several problems with T Mobile as well. A brief summary of them are as follows: They charged me the activation fee that they promised they wouldn't, constant billing errors, they lost my rebate paperwork twice, I've been hung up on and actually told by a Customer Care Representative that they're "not obligated to send invoices, it's my responsibility to find out how much I owe and when it's due", my handset model v70 wouldn't work, even with the 2 replacements sent out, they wouldn't allow me to downgrade to another model, I could only pay more to upgrade and extend my contract. Once I sent a letter to the FCC, they put my account under investigation and refused to give me any info, nor an estimated day someone would call me back with assistance. They have this mysterious "Executive customer care" dept that will contact you and if they get mad or can't get anywhere with you, they'll disconnect. They also refuse to give out they're direct number to you and tell you they'll contact you back on "their" time. I contacted the FCC and so far, everything has been fixed. Everytime they said they would not do something that was ridiculous, I sent a complaint to the FCC and BBB and ta da! it's done. Send a letter to the FCC detailing your complaints. Copy the BBB and T Mobile. Also submit your complaint over the internet with the FCC. Things will start moving pretty quick after that. And I know I don't have to tell you this, but KEEP ALL DOCUMENTATION. Good luck....


Grace

Salem,
Oregon,
U.S.A.
I forgot to mention this in my earlier letter

#4UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tue, January 28, 2003

Andy One more thing I am not sure of this but I know that indirect dealers only made thier money by the number of new activations they done each month so. that is another possiblity I am not sure how the direct dealers are paid so thus if he had done it correctly (the Sales Office) and if they also make their money that way he would have only made a commission of 3 new activations instead of 5 because the 2 you already had would not have been paid a commission on. so it could be a possible dealer fraud also


Grace

Salem,
Oregon,
U.S.A.
I symphathize 100% with your problem

#5UPDATE EX-employee responds

Tue, January 28, 2003

Andy, First I left the company a year ago and so I will tell you what I remember how to solve your problem. T Mobile was not even part of the scene when I was there. I was a customer service Rep for almost 2 years. I do not think that Deutsche Telekom could help you. First I find it strange that The Change of Responsibility Form was faxed because when I was the policy and this policy they were very strict on (because of ID theft possibilities) was to put it simply The policy was you and your father in law would have to go into the Sales Office together and show ID and have the Direct dealer witness the form being signed. I never have known of any direct dealer that broke that rule. Therefore if the change of responsibility was done wrong then a company policy was broken and therefore it would seem that the contract is null and void. I can tell you what happened and that is someone who activated the phones was basically a complete moron. because first thing I need to say is this is only known to people who work for VoiceStream or a dealer, and that is for a simple activation of a lets say one phone per bill then there is a department called Activations but when it is a complicated activation like a shared plan which yours was then a internal department called advanced activations with specially trained people activate everything #1. the sales office should have when they called Customer Care should have asked for advanced activations (I don't think that happened) then the customer care rep who was on the phone should have transferred the call to the advanced activations department and they would have taken all of the accounts it's too complicated but what would have happened is that it would have turned out the way it suppose to have as smooth a silk, you would have had 1 bill, 5 phones and the same two phone numbers, with 3 new numbers the guy who told you to take the old sim cards out and put in the new ones was wrong or a moron. The reason you cannot get the same supervisor twice is when I was there they had several call centers all over the nation and a centralized computer answered the calls and depending on what buttons a customer pressed once the it answered then a customer wait on hold in a holding pattern and whatever CCR happens to end a call then another one comes in. You may talk to someone on the west coast 1 call and the next call you speaking to someone in the midwesern or southern part of the US. Basically to put it simply its a luck of the draw what city the Rep is in and I for instance was trained in several different types of calls from past due accounts to billing problems,and everything in between and us CCR's used to be able to tranfers calls to each other but they changed that by doing something to where their system prevented us from doing it. It happened the same time that VoiceStream bought the midwest and east coast markets a few years back. as far back as I remember we didn't even have a phone number for John Stanton, but we did have an internal email program and someone let it slip how to get past the internal stuff for a person on the outside I am not 100% positive but try [email protected] (I done some investigating and they are still using the voicestream name for email it seems. Also look on any paper work and look for a thing called sales office number and also Dealer code that will Identify the persons and location of the sales office. Also never make threats like lawsuits or anything because there is a rule if you threaten anything to anyone including legal then they will not talk to you, nor will they answer any letters, they will turn everything over to their legal department high powered lawyers who work for them only if they think you mean business. My suggestion is to contact you state attorney generals office or consumer fraud division. make copies of everything, document everything, and sue later if you have to but another thing don't let your states' statue of limitations run out before you get started on a lawsuit, I wish I could help you further If I can do anything maybe we can figure a way to contact one another


terri

bellingham,
Washington,
U.S.A.
complete sympathy

#6UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sat, December 07, 2002

Hi Andy, I worked for the moronic management at VSW's call center for almost 2 years and resigned in October. I have to say I don't know of anything that will help you fight these ripoff artists. As I was preparing to leave rumors were rampant that Deutsche Telecom is trying to unload Tmobil because of their own financial problems. This company has been ripping people off for several years and nothing has happened to stop them. Perhaps if enough customers got together and filed a class action something might happen. But I talked to a lot of other customers who had complained to the FCC, etc. with no results on any company policies that I could see. This company thinks nothing of alienating customers, because they ultimately think their customers are idiots. They think they can change their name and logo and people who would not touch/or return to Voicestream service will be fooled into getting service with TMobile. I wish you luck.


terri

bellingham,
Washington,
U.S.A.
complete sympathy

#7UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sat, December 07, 2002

Hi Andy, I worked for the moronic management at VSW's call center for almost 2 years and resigned in October. I have to say I don't know of anything that will help you fight these ripoff artists. As I was preparing to leave rumors were rampant that Deutsche Telecom is trying to unload Tmobil because of their own financial problems. This company has been ripping people off for several years and nothing has happened to stop them. Perhaps if enough customers got together and filed a class action something might happen. But I talked to a lot of other customers who had complained to the FCC, etc. with no results on any company policies that I could see. This company thinks nothing of alienating customers, because they ultimately think their customers are idiots. They think they can change their name and logo and people who would not touch/or return to Voicestream service will be fooled into getting service with TMobile. I wish you luck.


terri

bellingham,
Washington,
U.S.A.
complete sympathy

#8UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sat, December 07, 2002

Hi Andy, I worked for the moronic management at VSW's call center for almost 2 years and resigned in October. I have to say I don't know of anything that will help you fight these ripoff artists. As I was preparing to leave rumors were rampant that Deutsche Telecom is trying to unload Tmobil because of their own financial problems. This company has been ripping people off for several years and nothing has happened to stop them. Perhaps if enough customers got together and filed a class action something might happen. But I talked to a lot of other customers who had complained to the FCC, etc. with no results on any company policies that I could see. This company thinks nothing of alienating customers, because they ultimately think their customers are idiots. They think they can change their name and logo and people who would not touch/or return to Voicestream service will be fooled into getting service with TMobile. I wish you luck.


Small Update

#90

Wed, October 23, 2002

I'm from Brooklyn, New York, not Oklahoma. Don't know how it got there.

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