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- Belton, Missouri,
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Due to unforseen circumstances, I had fallen behind on the payments for my interest rate gauging auto loan. On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, my vehicle was repossessed.

On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, I contacted Household Automotive Finance and spoke with a customer service representative named Lorena at ext 5559. I asked her how I could go about getting my belongings from my vehicle. She asked me if I wanted my car back. I told her that I felt that I had fallen too far behind to get caught up. She questioned me as to why, because I had been such a good customer for the past two years. When I explained to her that the very day I returned to work from maternity leave I lost my job (which was my ONLY source of income), she said "Well, we want you to get your car back and I would like to offer you a payment arrangement." I told her once again that it was not feasible for me to get the arrears on the loan caught up at this point in time since I was now single and a one income family with a brand new baby. I was only behind 2 payments, but at $450 a piece plus astronomical late charges, you can do the math.

She then told me that she "would be willing to accept one payment of $450.00 on my account and as long as I had it to her by 5:00 pm PST that my vehicle would be released that same night". I asked her several times if she was certain as it sounded too good to be true. She assured me that I should not worry, that she would take care of it.

She then proceeded to ask me if I could afford the repo fees of $300 and some change. I told her not at this time, as I would not get my first paycheck from my new job until February 28, 2003. She then advised me that it would be "no problem as they would add the repo fees onto the loan" and I could pay them as I continued to pay my contract out. She then placed me on hold, came back to the telephone and told me that "your state does not require you to sign an extension agreement so as soon as you get me this payment, I can release your car".

I then asked her where my car was being stored as I would have to make arrangements to pick the vehicle up and if it had been towed far away from my home, I would have no way to pick it up. She gave me a telephone number of 1-888-655-6555 and a name of EZ Recovery. She told me that I should call them and ask them.

Upon ending my telephone conversation with Lorena, I called the tow company and the lady was unwilling to speak with me. She told me that she had hundreds of people in line in front of me and that I was not a priority in her day to day life. I told her that I understood that, and all I needed was a general idea of where my car was being stored at so I could determine if I were going to be able to pick the vechicle up.

The repossession lady, who refused to identify herself told me that "For now the car is being stored on a lot in Lee's Summit, Missouri (which is 10 minutes away from my home), but if you do not lose the attitude with me, I'll have the car transported to the dealer's auction in Springfield, Missouri (which she knew to be 5 hours from my home) and then we'll see how long it takes you to get your car back, if you ever get your car back. She then proceeded to curse at me and told me to back off and hung up on me.

I called Lorena at Household back. She assured me that I should not worry, repo people were "like that", that my car would remain at the loacale in Lee's Summit, Missouri, and that the agent could not transport the car without orders from them. I said ok, I am on my way to send you your payment right now. She asked me to call her with the money control number as soon as I returned home so that she could verify funds and get the release faxed on my car.

I sent the payment via Western Union Quick Collect at 4:57 p.m. CST. When I returned home, I called Lorena back with the MTCN as requested, she verified funds, and told me that she would have my release faxed over that night and that I should call the repossession agent the next morning (Thursday, February 13, 2003) when they opened at 9:00 a.m. CST.

The following morning (02-13-03), I had my father call the repo company since I did not feel I could handle being subjected to any more verbal abuse and threats by the repossession agent. The lady who answered the phone advised him that the vehicle was transported to the auction the prior evening and hung up on him.

When I arrived at work, I telephoned the repossession agent questioning her as to why my car was transported to the auction when she should have gotten the release from Household. She then said, "Oh, it's you, the b*tch with the attitude again. I have gotten no d*mn release from Household and I told you last night what I was going to do." She told me that "I had mouthed off to the wrong person and that because of that fact, she had one of her agents make a special trip out to the auction that prior evening so she could make sure that I was dealt with accordingly." She told me that "Generally our transport trucks only run out that way on Tuesday and Friday, but we made an exception in your case." She advised me that "in the future I should watch my mouth and I would find that I would have alot less problems in life". She then stated that "Oh yeah, we shipped your car with the license plates on it since I couldn't leave your stuff in it so you're going to have to go to Springfield to even get them" and she hung up on me.

I then called Household back. Lorena was not in, but I spoke with a very polite gentleman who read the notes in my account and told me that "No way should this car have been transported anywhere". "They do not have transport orders from us, and they cannot transport it without those, and since you have paid what was agreed upon, it shouldn't be transported anyway, you should be redeeming it". He said "If in fact the vehicle was transported, we will submit this to management, find out why they transported the car, and the repo company will have to bring the vehicle back to you." I told him that the agent had advised me that she had no release from Household. He looked further into the notes in my account and said, "That is because Lorena made a mistake and you are required to sign an extension agreement". He told me that "She was new to the department and was not familiar with all of the particulars, but that he would have her call me when she arrived in the office in 15 minutes".

I waited for an hour and had heard nothing, so I telephoned Household back. I spoke with Lorena who stated that "I do not know what is going on here, first they tell me no, you don't need an extension agreement, then they tell me yes you do." She said, "In any event, it's no big deal, I can get this faxed over to you in 10 minutes and you'll be set." I then asked her about the car being transported to the auction AFTER I paid the agreed upon payment. She put me on hold while she called the repossession agent. She returned to the line and advised me that "the car was still on the lot in Lee's Summit, Missouri, that apparently the repossession agent had said whatever she said just to get a rise out of me." She said that the car "would not be transported, and as soon as I got the extension agreement faxed over to me and signed, the release would be sent and I could pick up my car before 4 p.m. CST when the agent closed." She then asked me "not to call the repo company and agitate the lady any further until the release was sent."

2 hours passed and I still had no agreement faxed to me, so I telephoned Lorena back. I told her that I still hadn't received the agreement and she asked me to "hold on while she followed up" and instead of placing me on hold, we got "disconnected". I tried calling her back several times throughout the day and got her voicemail for the duration.

At approximately 3:15 p.m. CST, I called Household Automotive Finance's main number and asked to speak with a supervisor. My request was refused and I was forwarded to a lady by the name of Nicole Quinterro. I told her I felt that I needed some answers, as I seemed to be getting the run around. She then proceeded to look at the notes in my account and told me that my car was what was referred to as a "direct drop" and that the car went to the auction directly after it was repossessed Tuesday evening. I told her basically that was crap, that the repo lady told me she had my car on her lot in Lee's Summit, and that Lorena had called to verify that information. Nicole advised me that "No one was required to tell me anything". I told her that I had the repossession lady on tape threatening me, then she got very agitated and said "look, the repo company cannot legally tow your car to the auction without our orders". She said "no one gave them orders to tow your car, like I said, it was a direct drop after it was repo'd, it didn't stop anywhere, it went straight to the auction". I then asked her how my personal belongings were at the tow location in Lee's Summit if it didn't stop anywhere. She had no answer to that question. She said, "I will tell you once more that your car was a direct drop and that is all you are getting from me". I asked her about the extension agreement, told her I was leaving my office in 15 minutes, would not be returning until Monday, and I did not want that paper faxed into my office while I was not there. She then told me that "I'll warn you now, if you take this fax number out of here, it'll start the whole process over again, and you may never get your car back". Hesitantly, I told her ok.

I then looked the number to the auto auction up on the internet and called to verify that my vehicle was there. I spoke to Sidney and was advised that yes, it was, they had the car. I asked her if she could tell me when they received it, and after a very long pause, she replied, "today, I think."

Later on that evening, I tried to get ahold of Lorena again. She was "in a meeting" from approximately 4:30 pm CST until 6:45 pm CST. I spoke with another gentleman who refused to identify himself to me. He told me that he couldn't do anything, it wasn't his account. I asked him if he could at least read the notes in the account and tell me when the car was transported to the auction. HE TOLD ME THAT HOUSEHOLD HAD FAXED TRANSPORT ORDERS AT 11:00 AM PST THAT VERY DAY! When I asked him why, when I had paid what was agreed upon, he said "BECAUSE YOU DID NOT SIGN AN EXTENSION AGREEMENT". He told me that I would need to hold for Lorena. I sat on hold for approximately 1 hour, and someone picked up the extension and hung up the call. I made several attempts to call back, but the office closed at 7:00 p.m. CST.

The next day 02-14-2003, I called HAFC because I decided that I did not want to have the agreement faxed into my office while I was not present. I spoke with a gentleman named "Scott" in reinstatements. At first, he refused to remove the fax number, and I explained to him that this was now a privacy issue as the only reason they were provided that number to begin with was because I was told I would have the agreement sent to me the prior day and it never arrived. He then placed me on hold for approximately 15 minutes and asked if I had an alternate fax number in which they could fax to. I gave him my home fax extension. He transferred me to another lady who then transferred me to Antwoine ext 6513 in the extension department.

Antwoine looked over my account and stated to me that "He would need to call me right back as he had to find out what was going on". He surprised me by calling me no more than 10 minutes later. He told me that "He apologized, he could not figure out why this extension agreement did not reach them on Wednesday evening when it should have and that he would have it faxed to me within 10 minutes and a release would be made on my vehicle immediately". He had it faxed to me in 5.

6 hours later, I called HAFC to verify that the release had been sent on my vehicle. They told me no, that they would do it right then, then for some reason they transferred me to Scott again. I explained to him that I would like some answers as to why my car was towed 5 hours away from my home, and once again reitterated to him that this was done AFTER I paid, and that while I understood I had fallen behind on payments, this particular situation was not my fault and that it was unfair for my car to be towed 5 hours away from my home after I was threatened with that to cause me further problems.

Scott got very agitated with me, and threatened to revoke the payment agreement. I told him I felt that it was too late for him to do that since I had paid, and that I had been in contact with several different people throughout the day regarding this situation, including the Missouri Division of Finance. He then proceeded to threaten me some more and I told him that he could do whatever he wanted to, that he would be hearing from the Division of Finance within the next week. He laughed, said a few choice words to me, then I asked him to please identify himself, first and last name for my records, he told me to have a pleasant day and hung up on me.

Monday, February 17, 2003 at 9:20 a.m., CST, I called the auto auction. They advised me that they still had no release on the vehicle. I then called the repossession agent, she told me that "She was entirely too busy to talk to me, that she had the release, and that she would fax it whenever she got around to it and not until." At 4:45 p.m. CST, I called the auto auction again, they advised me that they had just gotten the release, and that I would now need to pay them $530.00 to redeem my car.

I called Lorena at Household later that evening and was finally able to get her on the phone. She told me that she was not avoiding me, that she was out of the office both Thursday and Friday. I had spoken with her on Thursday, so I know that is not true. I asked her if she could explain why my car was trasported to the auction after I had did what was requested. She told me that while she was out, the repossession company had called and asked for permission to transport my car and that is why it was towed to the auction.

How many different stories can you count in this complaint? Yes, I fell behind on my payments, it was unavoidable. Household offered me the arrangement as a "niceity", but it turned into anything but.

I have been blatantly lied to by several employees of HAFC. I feel that they were very deceptive in this situation, and basically tried to get one last payment out of me (after my car was repossessed) at whatever extent they had to take it to.

It is now 8 days later, my car is still setting at the auction in Springfield, Household refuses to discuss any of these matters with me, and better yet, their repo agent still has my personal belongings, and refuses to give them back. They have even been using my cell phone, which was in the car. I retreived a message from the voice mail that some idiot left for one of the drivers!

Daphene

Belton, Missouri
U.S.A.

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9 Updates & Rebuttals

Nancy

Huntsville,
Alabama,
U.S.A.
The experience is traumatic and others might not be so lucky.

#2Consumer Suggestion

Thu, February 27, 2003

I'm glad everything appeared to work well for you. The experience is traumatic and others might not be so lucky. I was truly amazed to hear of the return of your personal property. May I recommend that you exercise due diligence with Household. The errors and omissions that resulted in your favorable outcome may not be apparent or available if future problems arise. To the best of my knowledge, Craig Streem is not V.P. of HAFC. I know he is/was the Public Relations point of contact for Household International, and has submission authority for their corporate press and news releases. He is in an excellent position to refer consumer complaints at the corporate level to the best response division within Household International and their subsidiaries (Household Finance, Household Auto Financing, Household Retail Services, etc.). I always recommend reporting at the public sites, because the complaints remain accessible and consumers will be aware. I also recommend reporting to the controlling agencies (FTC, State AGs, OCC, etc.) The oversight controllers need to be made aware in order to be effective. Sadly enough, most consumers do not file complaints in an effective manner to the proper regulating and advocate agencies. Their problems are unresolved or escalate past the point of no return. Currently the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) is accepting public comments about Household International and subsidiaries, as they consider the purchase of Household by HSBC. You should sent your experience to the OCC at: John Hawke, et al. Office of the Comptroller of the Currency Western District 50 Freemont Street, Suite 3900 San Francisco, CA 94105 You can fax a copy of your letter to: 415-545-5974 fax You can probably use a portion of your letters to the Missouri Division of Finance and others to quickly prepare a letter for the OCC. Consumer advocacy groups need your help.


Daphene

Belton,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
I got all of my property! ..Somebody, somewhere did something

#3Author of original report

Wed, February 26, 2003

At approximately 8:30 pm this evening there was a knock at my front door. There, on my deck stood a woman (I think) and three trash sacks.

Inside of the bags was all of my property! I made her stand there as I pulled each item out, individually, (including the CD's) and did an inventory. Not a thing was missing! I almost fell over dead right there. Even my money and credit cards were intact!

I have not talked to these people since last week when "Linda" refused to give my belongings back, then tried to make me "buy" them from her, so apparently HAFC took care of that situation as well.

Must have something to do with the fact that repossession companies make the lenders sign Hold Harmless agreements, making the finance company responsible in the end.

I have been so overcome by this situation, I never even thought to cancel my credit cards! I am so glad you came across my story. And to think, all I was worried about was a stupid cellular phone!

Thank you for your words. I'll be on the phone with the cc companies and at my bank first thing in the morning...not to mention changing my locks!

Thank you again.


Daphene

Belton,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
I got all of my property! ..Somebody, somewhere did something

#4Author of original report

Wed, February 26, 2003

At approximately 8:30 pm this evening there was a knock at my front door. There, on my deck stood a woman (I think) and three trash sacks.

Inside of the bags was all of my property! I made her stand there as I pulled each item out, individually, (including the CD's) and did an inventory. Not a thing was missing! I almost fell over dead right there. Even my money and credit cards were intact!

I have not talked to these people since last week when "Linda" refused to give my belongings back, then tried to make me "buy" them from her, so apparently HAFC took care of that situation as well.

Must have something to do with the fact that repossession companies make the lenders sign Hold Harmless agreements, making the finance company responsible in the end.

I have been so overcome by this situation, I never even thought to cancel my credit cards! I am so glad you came across my story. And to think, all I was worried about was a stupid cellular phone!

Thank you for your words. I'll be on the phone with the cc companies and at my bank first thing in the morning...not to mention changing my locks!

Thank you again.


Daphene

Belton,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
I got all of my property! ..Somebody, somewhere did something

#5Author of original report

Wed, February 26, 2003

At approximately 8:30 pm this evening there was a knock at my front door. There, on my deck stood a woman (I think) and three trash sacks.

Inside of the bags was all of my property! I made her stand there as I pulled each item out, individually, (including the CD's) and did an inventory. Not a thing was missing! I almost fell over dead right there. Even my money and credit cards were intact!

I have not talked to these people since last week when "Linda" refused to give my belongings back, then tried to make me "buy" them from her, so apparently HAFC took care of that situation as well.

Must have something to do with the fact that repossession companies make the lenders sign Hold Harmless agreements, making the finance company responsible in the end.

I have been so overcome by this situation, I never even thought to cancel my credit cards! I am so glad you came across my story. And to think, all I was worried about was a stupid cellular phone!

Thank you for your words. I'll be on the phone with the cc companies and at my bank first thing in the morning...not to mention changing my locks!

Thank you again.


Daphene

Belton,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
I got all of my property! ..Somebody, somewhere did something

#6Author of original report

Wed, February 26, 2003

At approximately 8:30 pm this evening there was a knock at my front door. There, on my deck stood a woman (I think) and three trash sacks.

Inside of the bags was all of my property! I made her stand there as I pulled each item out, individually, (including the CD's) and did an inventory. Not a thing was missing! I almost fell over dead right there. Even my money and credit cards were intact!

I have not talked to these people since last week when "Linda" refused to give my belongings back, then tried to make me "buy" them from her, so apparently HAFC took care of that situation as well.

Must have something to do with the fact that repossession companies make the lenders sign Hold Harmless agreements, making the finance company responsible in the end.

I have been so overcome by this situation, I never even thought to cancel my credit cards! I am so glad you came across my story. And to think, all I was worried about was a stupid cellular phone!

Thank you for your words. I'll be on the phone with the cc companies and at my bank first thing in the morning...not to mention changing my locks!

Thank you again.


Nancy

Huntsville,
Alabama,
U.S.A.
Perform a comprehensive inventory of losses

#7Consumer Suggestion

Tue, February 25, 2003

While it is still fresh in your memory, perform a comprehensive inventory of all personal property missing from your automobile. You will also need to provide an accumulated value of loss.

As a former Missouri native and current property owner in Missouri, I know it is a mandatory insurance state. Some losses may be covered by insurance, either homeowners, renters, or automobile policies.

There is a State Highway Department center in Lees Summit and on-line research may be conducted to assess the libility of the repossessing company. It would seem logical that security should have been provided while the car was impounded. At the very least report the items as stolen to the local police (city, county, and state). The property may eventually be recovered from local pawn shops and flea markets.

Because your purse contents, (banking information, personal information, and identification) were "lost", you also need to report those items (banks credit reporting agencies, credit card companies, and insurance company) and initiate an investigation to protect yourself from identity theft and the risk of becoming a victim of fraud.

Due to the exposure of the business practice and the nature of the business you are exposing, you should also take precautionary measures regarding personal security. Check the door and window locks on your residence, be aware of lighting and your comfort zones, become more familiar with surrounding areas and your neighbors. Because of your loss, "they" also know where you live. I don't want to advocate living in fear, just a heightened level of awareness and readiness.

Best wishes,


Daphene

Belton,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
Didn't think about that

#8Consumer Comment

Tue, February 25, 2003

You know Nancy, I never even considered they were doing it for show...I bet a hundred dollars you are correct.

When they brought my car back down, the guy made it a point to tell me that they had paid extra to detail wash it inside and out..at HAFC's expense, and they put a full tank of gas in it.

License plates were still on it, as promised, and inside was 1 CD and my air freshener.

Missing are my registration, insurance cards, and all other paperwork kept in the glove box, my CD collection (5 years worth), my cellular phone, my leather engraved daily planner (don't know what good that's gonna do anyone but me) a $250.00 leather coat, and my Coach handbag (which had my driver's license, medical insurance cards, makeup, perfume, eyeglasses and MONEY in it)!

Can't really blame HAFC for that (or can I), it's the repo company that took it and won't give it back. So, now I'm stuck trying to deal with that.

Thanks for your point of view. I'm really not done with the situation yet, my main priority was ensuring I got my vehicle back, so that I can make sure they NEVER get it again, and eat their 19% interest rate!


Nancy

Huntsville,
Alabama,
U.S.A.
Always file a complaint with a Govt Regulating Agency

#9Consumer Suggestion

Sun, February 23, 2003

I feel that HAFC was not responding directly to you or your situation. Their response was for the agencies where you filed formal complaints.

HAFC formal response will be regarding the actions of a "wildcat" office and contractor and out of control.

It is great that you complained to the government agencies. Good that you complained to the corporate level of HAFC and their response was in a positive manner. Would the HAFC response have been favorable if they were not aware of the other complaints filed?

Let HAFC and Household International know at the corporate level, regarding the pettiness, viciousness, non-professional conduct, and impact the abuse has on consumers. If it is the action of a satellite office or contractor, then such actions need to be corrected and curtailed.

Of course, HAFC can now report that the situation was resolved in favor of the consumer to the investigating agencies. It also minimizes adverse publicity involved in a "public record".


Daphene

Belton,
Missouri,
U.S.A.
Household took care of the problem

#10Author of original report

Fri, February 21, 2003

After reading some more reports on this site, I located a post which contained an email address for Craig Streem, the VP of HAFC. The guy who made the post said he sent his story to them, but never heard back from Household.

Figuring it was worth a shot, I emailed him a copy of the letter that I submitted to the FTC, the MO A.G., and the MO Division of Finance detailing the situation that occurred with Household and their repossession agent.

Today, (not even 24 hours after I sent the email), Mr. John O'Brien, another Vice President, took time out of his day and personally called me. I could not talk when he originally telephoned as I was busy, but he told me to call him back when I got home.

I telephoned him at 6:35 p.m. CST. He told me he had received my letter and he was horrified at what I had written. At first I thought that I was going to get yet another run around as he told me "it was probably to late in the day for him to get anything resolved, but that he would do his best to look into the situation and find out what was going on". He ended our telephone conversation by telling me that "I would not hear back from him this evening, but that he would call me tomorrow even if it was just to let me know that he had gotten nothing solved." He then proceeded to give me his cellular phone number incase I needed to contact him and couldn't reach him at the office!

Not more than 5 minutes later my telephone rang. Mr. O'Brien had me on speaker and advised me of that. He told me that he had a lady in the office with him by the name of Valerie who was responsible for arranging the transport of repossessed vehicles. He then asked for me to provide him with an address where he could have my car delivered to me tomorrow, at their expense! I almost fell over from heart failure.

Now, I must say this about Household: Mr. O'Brien's immediate attention to my situation, and the actions he took to resolve the wrong doings, have proven that if their company is TRULY at fault, they will do whatever is necessary to fix it. I guess you just need to have a legitimate complaint.

After dealing with the employee's of HAFC, I was determined that there was not a one there that was professional, or knew what they were doing. Mr. O'Brien proved to me that I was wrong, there is at least ONE, and I am truly greatful for his presence at Household Finance.

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