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  • Report:  #4443

Complaint Review: Providian National Bank - Tilton New Hampshire

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Providian National Bank
Tilton, New Hampshire, U.S.A.
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I cancelled my AT&T credit card and changed my long distance carrier from AT&T to Sprint. AT&T representatives offered me $100 to return. I told them the issue was not money but ethical business practices. I said I would return to AT&T only if I discovered that all other companies were as unethical as they were.

I had a WebCard credit card through Compuserve at that time and began using it for my credit card purchases. That went fine until last March. At that time I was informed that WebCard had been purchased by Providian National Bank of Tilton, NH.

In mid April I received a phone call from a lady who said she was with Providian and was simply calling to confirm my address and telephone number. She told me the address and telephone number on their records and I confirmed that those were correct. She then offered me credit card insurance which she said was free for the first month. I told her that I did not want credit card insurance nor did I want her to send me any literature about it.

About the first of May I received another call from a lady saying she was from Providian. I said, "You just called me a week or so ago and I told the person then that I do not want credit card insurance." She said, "No. I am not trying to sell you insurance. I am simply calling to confirm your name and address on our records." She then read those off to me and I told her they were correct.

About mid May I received another phone call from a lady saying the same thing only she did offer me credit card insurance. I said, "I have told you people repeatedly that I do not want credit card insurance and I do not want you calling me. How can I get you to stop?" She said that if I did not take the insurance they would continue to call me every two weeks.

I then called Providian's customer service at 800-449-8490. I told the customer service representative about the calls, that I had refused and did not want insurance and that if they continued calling me I would cancel my credit card. The representative was very apologetic and said that he would see that my account was taken off lists for mail and phone solicitations.

Since then I have not received any more phone solicitations but in June, I found that Providian had charged my account $7.71 for credit card insurance. On further investigation I found that they had also charged me $11.04 in May. I had overlooked that charge because they did not list it with other charges but on a separate place on the bill. I called Providian again and raised cane talking to a supervisor named Brandy Bankston. She said that they would remove the charges from my bill. I asked her for the name of the person who authorized that the charge be put on my bill in the first place. She said that they could not give me that information because that was confidential company information. I then asked her to send me any documentation that I had authorized purchase of credit card insurance. She said they did not have any documentation but assured me that they would not have charged my account if I had not authorized it on the phone.

It seems pretty obvious to me that most, if not all, credit card companies have found that they can make money by these shoddy business practices. They simply charge a monthly charge for insurance. If the customer complains they then apologize for the "mistake" and take the charge off the bill. If they charge 10 million customers and 90% complain then they collect from the million who don't complain. In this case that would be $7.71 million dollars collected per month. I'm sure some customers would find the charge after some months had passed and complain, but so what, they collect lots of money in the meantime. And they are not really selling anything of value since the customers liablitity for lost credit cards is limited to $50 by law. The "insurance" is practically worthless.

I don't know if this practice is criminal or simply unethical. I would like to be contacted by an attorney who would be interested in filing a class action lawsuit against this company and/or others engaging in this practice. I also will be glad to list here others who have had similiar experiences and would be interested in joining such a lawsuit.

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6 Updates & Rebuttals

Matt

Thorndale,
Pennsylvania,
Credit Protection Limitation they don't tell you about

#2Consumer Suggestion

Thu, September 26, 2002

A few years back, I had excellent credit and a multitude of credit cards. I bought the credit protection for each card I had in order to maintain my good credit rating.

At the time I was self-employed. When the manufacturer for the products I was reselling stopped producing the product, I began to have money shortages.

I called each credit company in order to invoke my credit protection. They asked me if I was laid off from work. I told them I was self-employed and having a temporary cash-flow problem. They said that if you are self-employed, you can only use the credit protection if you CLOSE YOUR BUSINESS FOR GOOD. I said that my business was my only source of income, and closing it would preclude ANY income EVER. They said that if I didn't close my business, I could not use my credit protection that I had been paying for for years...

Sometimes reading the fine print doesn't even help! NEVER AGAIN!


Lance

Gorham,
New Hampshire,
Providian did the same to me!

#3Consumer Comment

Thu, September 19, 2002

After a call from a representative of Providian regarding insurance, to which I replied "NO", I found that after a few months they had been charging me for insurance. This came to a total of about $63.00 (give or take some). They did right the problem after a phone call but it's aa phone call I shouldn't have had to make. In response to Mr. Providian N.H., "If you can't learn from your mistakes... stop making them!".

Thanks for the great website!


Cindy

Christiansburg,
Virginia,
A Phone Call DON'T Fix It!

#4Consumer Suggestion

Fri, July 19, 2002

If a phone call fixes the mistake, then how come the 9.9% interest rate I'm supposed to be charged is still 18.99%, after 10 months and a phone call every month, not to mention a couple of emails and a letter? You call 'em, they have to put you through to somebody else, who puts you through to somebody else, who puts you through to somebody else, who will have to get somebody else to call you back. GOOD LUCK, because somebody else who is supposed to call you back does not exist!!


ANN

San Antonio,
Texas,
I verified sales calls

#5UPDATE Employee

Sat, June 01, 2002

I was so shocked when I became a verifier of sales. I could not even belief the number of calls I heard that customers had stated NO to the sale, but the rep still sold the product to them and the acct charged.

For a sale to be complete the customer must say "YES". If they say "OK", the sales rep has to ask "IS THAT A YES?" But that rarely happened. In a whole days work of listening to calls....I might of heard 4 or 5 yes's, but most were hmmmms, or ya, or I don't know's, but rarley a yes.

The other sad things were the customers that did not understand or speak english very well. I'm so sure there are thousands upon thousands of customers that have paid for a membership product they never knew anything about.


Micheal

Dallas,
Texas,
Providian Employee explains all **EDitor's Note: You must read below!

#6UPDATE Employee

Tue, May 28, 2002

I work for Providian. If you think deceptive trade practices are bad you should hear what they say about consumers behind closed doors. Calling their clients "no good negro trash" and "a box of wanna be crackers".

Providian is a pretty trashy company. I've worked for them for two years now. We are trained to be harrassing and such to our customers. We monitor peoples accounts and purposely add ficticious charges and then argue with the customer when they call and complain.

More to come later.
Don't buy into the Providian hype.


ANON

PROVIDIAN,
New Hampshire,
Reply!

#7UPDATE Employee

Fri, March 08, 2002

First of all, If you found the mistake and they took it off, why worry about it now??? It is your responsibility to look at your own bill when you get it!!!, there is even a disclaimer that says if any errors are found to call and they would fix it, they did!!! second they took the charges off your account everything is ok now, I see you only got 3-4 calls total, and they fixed it for you, no more calls! They made a mistake. We make mistakes!!, not everybody is perfect, we are all human.It is understandable why it would upset you, but now you are abusing that by going all sue-happy and asking other people to join you in a lawsuit against them! for a mistake? please!, $18.75 ?? if they hadn't taken the charges off, then yes, consider legal help. But after they apologize and fix everything, now you have to sue!??, THAT IS UNETHICAL! it just shows how greedy people just love to take advantage of situations like that in order to get a fast buck!

Oh and by the way? The thing about Credit card insurance being worthless, because you are still liable for $50.00 on your card?????? , that just proves how much you actually thought this through, and how you didn't even gather any information to support that statement.

That is not what insurance is, you are actually talking about Credit Protection, which is the only kind of "insurance" credit cards offer, if you have CP, and you lose your job, become ill for a long period of time, lose over 25% of your income, become disabled, suffer a death in your family, or a natural disaster that affects your area, If you have it in your account, you can activate it, and it will freeze all interest on your account, and will not require you to make any payments until your situation improves, and will leave you to use your card with whatever remaining balance you have, for up to 24 months. Actually being in the collections department, almost all of the people I talk to, that have screwed up credit, something happened to them, and they have no CP, just like you, they refused to get it at some point in time, and now they are royally screwed, they get laid off, someone dies, or something happened, and there is nothing we could do about it, b/c they had an offer to protect themselves and they did not take it, so they have to pay for it.

So you better pray nothing like this happens to you, because you will regret not gettting it for a very long time.

I hope plenty of people read this enough to understand how things really work, not just how one person who thinks they got shafted thinks they do.

And I am not doing this to upset you, but think things twice before you threaten to take action for something simple that was blown WAY out of proportion.

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