Jan theodore
Endicott,#2Author of original report
Mon, January 27, 2003
Earthlink did -FINALLY- refund monies for the Home Networking Gateway but where their representative specifically said they'd refund $188.85 on 2nd December 2003 and even as late as today, 27th January 2003, after I reported the discrepancy between what was deposited in the bank, $143.90, and the $188.85, they claimed that shipping fees are not refundable, irrespective of what Earthlink had said before, and despite the fact that the expedited shipping was to overcome an error on their parts. I SHOULD HAVE CHECKED WITH badbusinessbureau.com first! Below is an e-mail I recently sent to [email protected] Attn: Management I was once an Earthlink broadband customer and an Earthlink wireless subscriber. But because of my experiences with your Customer Service Department, which I believe is guilty of fraud, I will no longer have anything to do with Earthlink, I will recommend to friends and customers they have nothing to do with Earthlink, and I will advertise as widely as I can that Earthlink lies and cheats to keep monies. Your Customer Service has recorded the situation in Case Numbers 49926557 and prior. I will summarize. I switched to Earthlink broadband last summer, from Time-Warner Road Runner. I also switched to Earthlink wireless after Earthlink bought GoAmerica.net. I had little trouble with these services and was pleased until I bought a second computer. At that point I wanted to get an Earthlink Home Networking Gateway so I could support both machines. Before the new computer arrived, I checked with your technical support to determine what I needed and how to go about ordering it. The computer arrived and I contacted Earthlink to order the Home Networking Gateway. They gave me an expected time of arrival of the order. A couple of days after it was supposed to arrive, I called Earthlink Customer Service ("ECS" hereafter) to check on the status of the order. Apparently, the order had not yet been placed. I expressed my concern since I had an important customer demo coming up in a week and a half and I wanted to be sure everything was ready for that, needing time to preview the demo prior to showing it to the customer. I asked them to please place the order. Because they could not guarantee the arrival of the order, I paid for expedited shipping on it. The Home Networking Gateway ("HNG") arrived but I shortly discovered, after checking with Earthlink technical support, that the unit was a DSL unit, not a broadband unit. I explained about the customer demo, and the Earthlink folks said they could send me another HNG of the right kind. I paid for expedited shipping on that unit. I told Earthlink I would contact my client and delay the demo to accomodate the replacement. The next day I checked with Earthlink on the status of the HNG. I earned from them that despite my willingness to carry the cost of the new unit and pay for ANOTHER expedited shipping, they would not send the new HNG until they got the old one back. This contradicted what I had been told earlier by ECS. It jeopardized my delayed presentation to my client and risked making me look incompetent. Thus, I cancelled the entire HNG and have since switched back to Time-Warner Road Runner because they could set me up quicker, being across town. ECS initiated a recall of the box through United Parcel Service and said that I would be refunded the cost of the HNG **and** of the expedited shipping cost once I called them and reported the UPS tracking number to them, indicating the item had been picked up by UPS. When it was picked up, I called ECS again. I learned that I could not be refunded the amount until they actually received the HNG back. At this point, I was getting pretty angry with ECS and the inconsistencies in what policies were. I saw no choice but to follow the procedure. The UPS reported the item returned to Earthlink via their tracking Web site. I called ECS again to have my refund processed. They indicated they had no evidence that the HNG had been returned. I called a week later, and ECS reported, yes, they had received the unit but that the request for refund had to go to an accounting department for approval. At this point they still agreed I would be receiving the cost of the HNG **PLUS** the cost of the expedited shipping. I called a week later and ECS said that $188.85 had been approved in full, and they gave me a confirmation number of 51379203. I waited a while, as I was instructed, and checked my bank account, as the purchase was through a debit card. I finally noted a refund from Earthlink but only in the amount of $143.90. I called ECS today, 27th January 2003, and confirmed that $188.85 had been approved. The ECS agent said that if the bank did not credit $143.90 instead of $188.85 it was a problem with the bank because that's what was approved. I called the bank to check on the transaction. The bank looked into the matter and said $143.90 was all they were authorized to credit from Earthlink and that if Earthlink said different, they should send both the bank and me a copy of the documentation by postal mail. I called ECS again reporting my findings with the bank and requesting the documentation asked for. I learned from ECS that only $143.90 had been sent because they would not refund the expedited shipping. The shipping was $44.95. This is severe misrepresentation of policies and procedures. I could not have made proper judgments about what was fiscally prudent with the purchase because I was given inaccurate information. Worse, ECS agents have never expressed regret or been apologetic about the manner, treating me as too small an account to be worried about or be concerned with. In my book, this is fraud, and it is indistinguishable in appearance and result from deliberate deception. I'm not the only one who thinks so: See http://badbusinessbureau.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q2=&q3=&q4=&q5=Earthlink+&q6=&q7=&submit2=Search%21EarthLink I have submitted my reports to the federal consumer protection agency, and to the office of consumer protection for the State of New York. I have cancelled my Earthlink wireless account because I will not be associated with your company any longer. The other pertinent case numbers for this situation are: 443659 (pertaining to wireless), 48259541, 48302121, 48807591, 49926557, and the UPS Tracking Number was 1ZAV81089040643855. The so-called refund confirmation number was 51379203. --Jan Theodore Galkowski, Endicott, NY.
Jan theodore
Endicott,#3Author of original report
Mon, January 27, 2003
Earthlink did -FINALLY- refund monies for the Home Networking Gateway but where their representative specifically said they'd refund $188.85 on 2nd December 2003 and even as late as today, 27th January 2003, after I reported the discrepancy between what was deposited in the bank, $143.90, and the $188.85, they claimed that shipping fees are not refundable, irrespective of what Earthlink had said before, and despite the fact that the expedited shipping was to overcome an error on their parts. I SHOULD HAVE CHECKED WITH badbusinessbureau.com first! Below is an e-mail I recently sent to [email protected] Attn: Management I was once an Earthlink broadband customer and an Earthlink wireless subscriber. But because of my experiences with your Customer Service Department, which I believe is guilty of fraud, I will no longer have anything to do with Earthlink, I will recommend to friends and customers they have nothing to do with Earthlink, and I will advertise as widely as I can that Earthlink lies and cheats to keep monies. Your Customer Service has recorded the situation in Case Numbers 49926557 and prior. I will summarize. I switched to Earthlink broadband last summer, from Time-Warner Road Runner. I also switched to Earthlink wireless after Earthlink bought GoAmerica.net. I had little trouble with these services and was pleased until I bought a second computer. At that point I wanted to get an Earthlink Home Networking Gateway so I could support both machines. Before the new computer arrived, I checked with your technical support to determine what I needed and how to go about ordering it. The computer arrived and I contacted Earthlink to order the Home Networking Gateway. They gave me an expected time of arrival of the order. A couple of days after it was supposed to arrive, I called Earthlink Customer Service ("ECS" hereafter) to check on the status of the order. Apparently, the order had not yet been placed. I expressed my concern since I had an important customer demo coming up in a week and a half and I wanted to be sure everything was ready for that, needing time to preview the demo prior to showing it to the customer. I asked them to please place the order. Because they could not guarantee the arrival of the order, I paid for expedited shipping on it. The Home Networking Gateway ("HNG") arrived but I shortly discovered, after checking with Earthlink technical support, that the unit was a DSL unit, not a broadband unit. I explained about the customer demo, and the Earthlink folks said they could send me another HNG of the right kind. I paid for expedited shipping on that unit. I told Earthlink I would contact my client and delay the demo to accomodate the replacement. The next day I checked with Earthlink on the status of the HNG. I earned from them that despite my willingness to carry the cost of the new unit and pay for ANOTHER expedited shipping, they would not send the new HNG until they got the old one back. This contradicted what I had been told earlier by ECS. It jeopardized my delayed presentation to my client and risked making me look incompetent. Thus, I cancelled the entire HNG and have since switched back to Time-Warner Road Runner because they could set me up quicker, being across town. ECS initiated a recall of the box through United Parcel Service and said that I would be refunded the cost of the HNG **and** of the expedited shipping cost once I called them and reported the UPS tracking number to them, indicating the item had been picked up by UPS. When it was picked up, I called ECS again. I learned that I could not be refunded the amount until they actually received the HNG back. At this point, I was getting pretty angry with ECS and the inconsistencies in what policies were. I saw no choice but to follow the procedure. The UPS reported the item returned to Earthlink via their tracking Web site. I called ECS again to have my refund processed. They indicated they had no evidence that the HNG had been returned. I called a week later, and ECS reported, yes, they had received the unit but that the request for refund had to go to an accounting department for approval. At this point they still agreed I would be receiving the cost of the HNG **PLUS** the cost of the expedited shipping. I called a week later and ECS said that $188.85 had been approved in full, and they gave me a confirmation number of 51379203. I waited a while, as I was instructed, and checked my bank account, as the purchase was through a debit card. I finally noted a refund from Earthlink but only in the amount of $143.90. I called ECS today, 27th January 2003, and confirmed that $188.85 had been approved. The ECS agent said that if the bank did not credit $143.90 instead of $188.85 it was a problem with the bank because that's what was approved. I called the bank to check on the transaction. The bank looked into the matter and said $143.90 was all they were authorized to credit from Earthlink and that if Earthlink said different, they should send both the bank and me a copy of the documentation by postal mail. I called ECS again reporting my findings with the bank and requesting the documentation asked for. I learned from ECS that only $143.90 had been sent because they would not refund the expedited shipping. The shipping was $44.95. This is severe misrepresentation of policies and procedures. I could not have made proper judgments about what was fiscally prudent with the purchase because I was given inaccurate information. Worse, ECS agents have never expressed regret or been apologetic about the manner, treating me as too small an account to be worried about or be concerned with. In my book, this is fraud, and it is indistinguishable in appearance and result from deliberate deception. I'm not the only one who thinks so: See http://badbusinessbureau.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q2=&q3=&q4=&q5=Earthlink+&q6=&q7=&submit2=Search%21EarthLink I have submitted my reports to the federal consumer protection agency, and to the office of consumer protection for the State of New York. I have cancelled my Earthlink wireless account because I will not be associated with your company any longer. The other pertinent case numbers for this situation are: 443659 (pertaining to wireless), 48259541, 48302121, 48807591, 49926557, and the UPS Tracking Number was 1ZAV81089040643855. The so-called refund confirmation number was 51379203. --Jan Theodore Galkowski, Endicott, NY.