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  • Report:  #1220892

Complaint Review: General Corporate Services - Internet

Reported By:
Lotus_Eater - Cave Creek, Arizona, USA
Submitted:
Updated:

General Corporate Services
Internet, USA
Phone:
1-800-266-7269
Web:
www.1800company.com
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CompaniesInc.com – RIPPED ME OFF AND HELD MY ASSETS FOR RANSOM!

The company’s real name is “General Corporate Services” but please be aware that this company runs several websites including:

www.companiesinc.com

www.canadiancorp.com

www.corporacion.com

www.offshorecorporation.com

www.offshorecompany.co.uk

www.assetprotectionplanners.com

www.1800company.com

 

This company is full of smooth talking salesmen who will lie to you on the phone or even in an email. If you are fooled in to using their services like I was you may end up with thousands of dollars in bills with nothing to show for it at best, at worst you could end up with hundreds of thousands of dollars sat in fake company accounts that you have no control over and fraudulent documents that are no use to anyone.

Here’s the rundown on what happened to me:

I wanted to move some of my assets offshore so I purchased a package from this company that was to contain 1 offshore company formation, 1 offshore trust formation, 1 offshore brokerage account, 1 Swiss bank account and 1 regular bank account. I was told that the cost for this was $4,245 and the ongoing annual maintenance costs would be $999. I asked what other ongoing costs there were and I was told “absolutely none”. So, I placed the order and paid the fees.

The Bank & Brokerage Scam

The next thing is they send over a bunch of paperwork that needed to be filled in that they had just taken from various bank and brokerage websites asking me to fill in the information per the company’s instructions, which of course meant getting copies of many documents notarized and letters of reference from my banks, accountant etc. After going to some of the companies websites they were recommending; I started to realize that some of them charged 1%  to 2% per annum of the assets you placed with them as a “holding fee”, plus a bunch of other fees not previously outlined. This was not disclosed at all when I asked what the ongoing costs would be to move assets offshore, so I asked for accounts with lower or no annual maintenance fees. They then provided me with other brokerage options so I got all the paperwork notarized etc. notarized again and sent that to them. It took approximately another 2 months then I was told by one of the second brokerages that they would not accept US citizens as clients. So, back I go again to GCS and this time I was told that they have no more accounts they can recommend for me. I asked for a refund and they said that they thought they had done enough work and would not refund my money for the accounts.

 

The Trust Scam

Part of the above package was a trust that would be based in the Bahamas. I got all of the paperwork done and sent it off to them. The trust was delivered (took about 2 months, not the 2 to 3 weeks they told me) in a tatty bound book. I went through the trust and noticed that they had not put my son in the beneficiaries’ section. After pointing this out they said that they had made a mistake and would amend the trust and send me another bound trust document which arrived a few weeks later. After looking at this document I noticed that the trust was not even notarized (as the first trust was). Even more worrying was that the signature of the so called trustee was very different from the first, and a paragraph about getting the trust document verified by an attorney which was right by the signature on the first trust document had been moved inside the trust to a much less conspicuous place.  Upon seeing this I emailed the sales person I was dealing with and expressed my concern. He said that the new document was now the correct trust and that I should put it somewhere safe and make sure my beneficiaries’ knew where it was. Still concerned about the validity of the trust, I asked for the contact details for the trustee so I could ensure that he had a correct copy of the trust and also I wanted to verify that he was licensed and bonded as a trustee. About 3 days later (after several calls and emails) they finally replied saying that the trustee was not licensed and bonded and that if I liked they would put any trustee I wanted in the document. After pushing a bit harder for the trustee contact details I was told that the trustee was not even a real person. That was the point I asked for my money back. As of yet they have not replied to my request. They still have my money and do not respond to requests to remedy the situation or provide a refund.

The Company Scam

When they formed my offshore company for me it took a lot longer than had been promised in their advertising, but I didn’t mind that so much so I thought everything was ok. What I didn’t find out until later is that even though the company they form for you is in your name, THEY still administer the company, which means the company is still under their control as far as getting anything from the country it was formed in. I found this out when I wanted to get a certificate of good standing for the company. When I went to the registered agent I was told that the document couldn’t be supplied as the company that formed the offshore company was still in control and I had to go through them to get this information. So, they will not respond to multiple requests to for this information and therefore the company they formed is useless to me, worse I have money stuck in bank accounts that were opened by this company that I can’t get out until I provide a certificate of good standing.

 

CURRENT STATUS

-          At this point I cannot use the offshore company that GCS set up as it is still administered by them, and they will not release control or provide the company documents I need. I have a lot of money sat offshore in accounts that I cannot use. THINK ABOUT THIS IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT DOING BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY. Do you really want to put any of your money in to account that they have opened for you?

 

-          I still have not received the 2nd brokerage account that I paid to have set up, or the Swiss Bank. They will not refund my money and they do not respond to emails or voice mails

 

-          The trust document I have is not valid as it is not notarized AND the trustee of the trust is not a real person, and if it was, he would not be licensed and bonded, so the trust is also useless to me.

I have tried to contact GCS several times to ask them to rectify the situation but they do not respond to email or voice messages. I have emailed them several times and left several voice messages but have had no response.

 



2 Updates & Rebuttals

MORE LIES FROM THESE EXPERT SCAMMERS!!!

#2Author of original report

Tue, July 07, 2015

“We care deeply about our customers and have read this posting. However, there are several errors that lead us to believe that this is not a valid post from a customer. First of all we don’t have any customers from Cave Creek, Arizona who have ordered anything close to what this post is talking about. Second, the poster has used a fake name “Lotus_Eater” rather than a real name. That’s a huge red flag that this posting is fake.” 

POPPYCOCK!! “We care deeply about our customers” - POPPYCOCK!!

--- Some people don’t want their “real names” plastered all over the internet, especially if it’s associated with a SCAM OUTFIT like this, but if anyone reading this wants to know my personal details please reply to this post or email me and I will be pleased to provide them. I can send ALL of the correspondence from this company, emails, scanned copies of the trusts that were fake etc. You'll also notice that I did not use the names of the GCS employees that lied to me repeatedly either, but I'll be happy to do so if GCS thinks it might make this complaint more real? Someone with the initials D.R. would be a start.....

--- MORE AND MORE LIES FROM THIS COMPANY. Use them at your peril, I STILL have not got the items I paid for, they are STILL holding my company for ransom. Plus they lied to the credit card company when I tried to dispute the charges. So, think carefully before you give these people your credit card number, they are obviously very skilled at this scam, I learned a lesson to the tune of over $4000.00!!!! I have also had to move my money from the accounts that were opened under the company name they created and that cost thousands more.

“Moreover, how can we hold someone’s assets for ransom? That is further nonsense. Ransom demands are met with very swift and serious consequences in America. We would be in jail and I wouldn’t be writing this reply right now. We have been in this industry for over 24 years, so, naturally this would not be possible if we were running around demanding ransoms. So, this is also obviously bogus.”

--- This is the email I received from the registered agent in Nevis when I went directly to them requesting control of the company after General Corporate Services would not provide me with the information verifying my company was real when requested:

Dear Mr.

Thank you for your email.

Morning Star Holdings will need to receive an email from General Corporate Services confirming that the company can be transferred over to you directly. Our office in Nevis considers the administrator of the company the firm or individual who request the company to the formed.

 Once General Corporate Services provide the release of the administration over to you, you will need to provide us with due diligence in order to establish you as client of our office in Nevis. Information will be provided once the release is received.

--- General Corporate Services WOULD NOT RELEASE THE COMPANY TO ME OR PROVIDE ME WITH A CERTIFICATE OF GOOD STANDING so my money was in accounts in banks that were requesting proof that I could not provide, and not allowing me to make transactions until they got it. If this is not “holding it for ransom”, what is?

--- Because they would not provide the “Certificate of Good Standing” I repeatedly asked for; I ended up having to move money from offshore accounts they had recommended at great cost and hassle (providing all sorts of personal information to the banks) because I could not prove that the company was real. I have contact details for the banks if anyone would like them to verify this.I just completed this a couple of weeks ago (over 8 months of this crap to get my money out of these accounts).

“It is common knowledge that banks, money managers and stock brokers don’t work for free. So, anyone knows there are costs there. “Absolutely none,” if that was even said, was referring to fees due to us in the future, not the stock broker.”

--- Banks and brokers don’t work for free, but most DON’T CHARGE 2% OF YOUR MONEY ANNUALLY EITHER. And that’s not the point, the point was that YOUR COMPANY LIED TO ME ABOUT IT, then once you had my money, this all came to light.

 “There is no trust “scam” as you put it. We have formed trusts for 24 years and the trusts are valid. We can only get started forming a trust once a customer turns in the documentation that the law requires. Trusts require you to return the proper due diligence to us so we can have legal proof that you are who you say you are. Once we receive this, trusts are usually completed within a few days. So, the speed depends on you getting us the documentation. Since you are hiding your name we don’t know who you are we are not able to look up the information. Yes, the trustee is a real person and we an provide documented proof, copies of ID and a walking, talking, breathing person.”

--- This is again total crap.  I got the info to them very quicky (still have the FedEx recipts) and it took them months to provide the info. They also could not provide contact details for the supposed trustee (Jeffrey Glass) to me so I could verity the trustee was real. I have scanned copies of the 2 trusts showing that they are not real, showing the 2 different signatures used and all of the information outlined before, reply to this post or email me if you would like copies of the scans. I would LOVE to get the contact details for the trustee so I could ask why he uses 2 totally different signatures to sign a trust, but he doesn’t exist so that won’t happen!! Ask yourslf this: do you want your assets under a trust where the trustee doesn't exist? Or at minimum you don't know who he is? This person has legal control of your assets!!

 

“Additinally, there is also no company “scam.” When a company is formed, it is under the customer’s control. It is not under our company’s control. Most offshore jurisdictions require you to go through a licensed agent and not directly with the government. I’m sorry if you want to do this directly but we don’t control this requirement. The government does. If someone wants a certificate of good standing we can gladly comply. And to say we have not responded to multiple requests for information would not be accurate as we order such certificates regularly on request. “

--- I can show time stamped emails to anyone who wants to see them. I also made recordings of the voicemails I left requesting the items I needed, and they are in MP3 format (my company’s phone system records all incoming and outgoing calls so I just got copies), again I’m happy to provide them to anyone thinking of using this firm.

“Your company is not administered by us. Our customers control their own companies. Not us. 

Your statement above about the brokerage account is telling. It appears that you want one where the broker doesn’t charge any money. That does not exist. Do you work for free? Neither will the broker. There are only a limited number of options for US people who want brokerage accounts offshore. if you refuse to fill out the application because you want one where the broker works for free, naturally, we cannot force you do so.” 

--- Nope, don’t want a free account, just don’t want to PAY 2% OF MY MONEY ANNUALLY FOR STORAGE OF MY CASH. Commissions are fine as with any brokerage. AGAIN THE POINT WAS THAT YOUR REPRESENTIVIE LIED TO ME, companies can charge what they want, I have no qualms with that, but I also should have the option to know about it before I commit to paying it. 

“The trusts we create are real. Not all trusts abroad require notarization. So a notary stamp does not make a trust valid in all jurisdictions. We do not have any trustees for Bahamas trusts that are not real people.”

--- YEAH? THEN PROVIDE THE CONTACT DETAILS FOR JEFFREY GLASS, then maybe we can ask him why he uses TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT SIGNITURES (again, for anyone who wants to see scanned copies of the trusts with the 2 totally different signatures for the same (fake) person, reply to this post or email me.

“It is also not true that if you call or email you get no response. Anyone reading this post can dispel this myth by calling our office during business hours and very clearly find out that a live person - who is with our company - answers the phone.”

--- I have emails and recordings of the voice mails I left. Do you have any proof of the responses to me that you can provide to readers? Answering the phone is one thing, replying to someone who has figured out your SCAM is another. Does anyone want to find out it’s a scam after they’ve paid their money? Your choice people.

“So, if this is just a fake post, which we think it is, you might want to check your conscious. In the unlikely event that this is somehow someone a real person we would be very glad to take your call…and please use your real name this time.  Thank you“

 

USE THIS COMPANY AT YOUR OWN RISK. You decide if this is a fake post or not. Just hopefully not after you have given these people your money!If you would like proof of any of the above, please email me at lotus_eater at outlook dot com and I will be happy to provide it.

 


BRogers

Bend,
Oregon,
USA
BOGUS REPORT WITH OBVIOUS FAKE INFORMATION

#3UPDATE Employee

Fri, July 03, 2015

We care deeply about our customers and have read this posting. However, there are several errors that lead us to believe that this is not a valid post from a customer. First of all we don’t have any customers from Cave Creek, Arizona who have ordered anything close to what this post is talking about. Second, the poster has used a fake name “Lotus_Eater” rather than a real name. That’s a huge red flag that this posting is fake.  

 

Moreover, how can we hold someone’s assets for ransom? That is further nonsense. Ransom demands are met with very swift and serious consequences in America. We would be in jail and I wouldn’t be writing this reply right now. We have been in this industry for over 24 years, so, naturally this would not be possible if we were running around demanding ransoms. So, this is also obviously bogus. 

 

It is common knowledge that banks, money managers and stock brokers don’t work for free. So, anyone knows there are costs there. “Absolutely none,” if that was even said, was referring to fees due to us in the future, not the stock broker.  

 

There is no trust “scam” as you put it. We have formed trusts for 24 years and the trusts are valid. We can only get started forming a trust once a customer turns in the documentation that the law requires. Trusts require you to return the proper due diligence to us so we can have legal proof that you are who you say you are. Once we receive this, trusts are usually completed within a few days. So, the speed depends on you getting us the documentation. Since you are hiding your name we don’t know who you are we are not able to look up the information. Yes, the trustee is a real person and we an provide documented proof, copies of ID and a walking, talking, breathing person. 

 

Additinally, there is also no company “scam.” When a company is formed, it is under the customer’s control. It is not under our company’s control. Most offshore jurisdictions require you to go through a licensed agent and not directly with the government. I’m sorry if you want to do this directly but we don’t control this requirement. The government does. If someone wants a certificate of good standing we can gladly comply. And to say we have not responded to multiple requests for information would not be accurate as we order such certificates regularly on request. 

 

Your company is not administered by us. Our customers control their own companies. Not us. 

 

Your statement above about the brokerage account is telling. It appears that you want one where the broker doesn’t charge any money. That does not exist. Do you work for free? Neither will the broker. There are only a limited number of options for US people who want brokerage accounts offshore. if you refuse to fill out the application because you want one where the broker works for free, naturally, we cannot force you do so. 

 

The trusts we create are real. Not all trusts abroad require notarization. So a notary stamp does not make a trust valid in all jurisdictions. We do not have any trustees for Bahamas trusts that are not real people.

 

It is also not true that if you call or email you get no response. Anyone reading this post can dispel this myth by calling our office during business hours and very clearly find out that a live person - who is with our company - answers the phone. 

 

So, if this is just a fake post, which we think it is, you might want to check your conscious. In the unlikely event that this is somehow someone a real person we would be very glad to take your call…and please use your real name this time.  Thank you. 

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