EBAY SCAM / FRAUD: MONEYGRAM WESTERN UNION PATRICK RINGNALDAPATRICK RINGNALDA, Moarice Johnson, John Harry, PATRICK RINGNALDA, Moarice Johnson, John Harry, SCAM; FRAUD, MONEY ORDER, TRAVELERSEXPRESS MONEYGRAM VAN OSTERDESTRAAT 1073 T.V.AMSTERDAM HOLLAND Oklahoma, MINNISOTA
An individual tried to purchase Ebay item from me (never did bid on it) for his girlfriend. First he said she was in Holland, then he said she was in England, then he said she was in Holland again.
He said that he wanted to send extra money to give her, but he only had money orders and asked me to cash them, take the money needed for my item, and then wire her the remaining money via Western Union (less $30 for my convenience). Actually, he wanted me to send the money to her dad, "PATRICK RINGNALDA", because she "worries her parents concerning money"
He used the eBay ID: moarice1997, and initially signed his name: moarice Johnson , although his email was onize22@look.com ("John Harry"). He never again signed his name in any further emails.
He never bid on the item, so I was hoping he just went away, but finally one day an envelope via UPS arrived with the return address of:
YODER HARVEY H RANCH COMPANY
PHONE: 763-201-3889
1429 NW 96TH ST
OKLAHOMA CITY OK 73114
I believe the phone number is from Minnisota.
There was a typed letter included that stated:
"Dear Seller,
Where is your bank?How far is your house from the bank?Kindly visit your bank as soon as possible to have the check cashed and immediately you leave the bank, kindly visit Western Union location to have the remainder of the money wire afer you might have deductted the cost of your item.Okay? Below is the name and address you will need for the wiring of the funds via western union okay?
NAME - PATRICK RINGNALDA
ADDRESS -
270 VAN OSTERDESTRAAT
1073 T.V.AMSTERDAM
HOLLAND
After you might have transferred funds via western union a complete western union informations are needed for documentation:
Money Transfer Control Number (MTCN)
Senders full name and address
Exact amount of funds transferred after western union charges
should be sent to my e-mail address. [patringnalda@yahoo.com]
NOTE: ALL THIS INFORMATION I WILL NEED YOU TO FORWARD TO ME VIA E-MAIL AFTER YOU HAVE WIRED THE LEFT OVER FUNDS OKAY?ALL CORRESPONDING AND DETAILS OF THIS TRANSACTION SHOULD BE SENT TO ME VIA E-MAIL AT [patringnalda@yahoo.com] AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO ASK."
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I received three money orders from "TravelersExpress MoneyGram" each for $1000.
There was no mention of a girlfriend in Holland or England. There was no mention of the specific item and no mention of an address to which to send it.
I called MoneyGram International (http://www.travelersexpress.com/) and was told that they have not used the term "TravelersExpress" on their money orders for years. There was no 8 digit confirmation number on the money orders, they were printed on regular paper, definitely fake.
I checked out the address from which the envelope came, and it is currently up for sale:
I emailed Ms. Allen to inquire if she knew of a YODER HARVEY H RANCH COMPANY
that is supposed to be associated with that address, but she has not yet respond.
http://www.livingchoices.com/home/homedetail.aspx?mid=5880&hid=535147888&refer=bvc
Keller Williams Realty
Keller Williams Northwest
Alice Allen
1429 NW 96th Great Investment House.
2 bed, 1 bath, 1 car garage. Price is reduced to get quick sale. Call Alice @ 728-0284 or outside OKC dial 1-800-372-0284
The day the money order arrived, I was at work.
UPS tracking seems to indicate that the envelope originated in:
FRESNO, CA, US 02/15/2006 6:15
The envelope arrived at 0930 and he emailed me 3 times before 1pm asking if I got the envelope. I finally wrote back that I was busy at work and would review the contents when I got home that night.
here are 2 emails he sent me the next day:
"what is going on with you?i told you that the payment was delivered to you and i never head anything from you hope there is no problem?"
ARE YOU TRYING TO STEAL MY MONEY?
"I REALLY SENT YOU THE PAYMENT IN GOOD FAITH YET YOU HAVE REFUSED TO MAIL ME AND TO WIRE THE EXCESS FUNDS........BUT I AM 100% SURE THAT THE CASH IS WITH YOU RIGHT NOW.
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME? ARE TRYING TO STEAL MY MONEY?"
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I'm glad that I didn't fall for this, and I hope that no one else falls for this type of scam.
Amie
Thousand Oaks, California
U.S.A.
2 Updates & Rebuttals
Richard
Santa Ana,California,
U.S.A.
Notify the police
#3Consumer Comment
Sun, February 19, 2006
I am glad you did not fall for the scam. I would turn those money orders that you received to your local police. Contact the police in the area that the address the money is to be sent to. I am sure they are fakes.
If you were to follow the scammer's request you would been screwed and maybe charge for bank fraud. I am sure you already know how the scam works. It is a classic scam the all too many fall for.
Here's how the scam works for those who don't know. Scammer usually looks for sellers on Ebay or other private party sources. Scammer will send you a fake money order usually larger then the amount owed. Then the scammer will instruct you to cash the money order and take what is owed to you and maybe some for your time and send the rest back via another money order or Western Union. The scammer may contact you, pressuring you to hurry up or make you feel guilty that you are trying to rip him/her off (that's make sure you send the money before the bank calls you.. so you can quickly complete his request. Now that you have completed your part, the scammer receives the money, the stuff he purchased and skips town. A few weeks later you get a call from your bank with bad news..they money order is no good. Now the scammer has skipped town and you are left owing the bank the money and possibly threaten with charges if the bank does not recover their money. I can assure you, life will suck from then on.
Oh, more thing, if the scammers emails you again, tell him the bank called and said the money order is bad. I am sure he won't bother you again. I hope they catch that scammer make him fry. I wish you luck.-RSW
Renee
Oak Harbor,Washington,
U.S.A.
PATRICK RINGNALDA: associated with lottery scams
#3Author of original report
Sat, February 18, 2006
I found the name "Patrick Ringnalda" on a website exposing lottery scams (same address, too):
http://kenfroststupidpunt.blogspot.com/2006/01/despite-fact-that-this-site-has-been.html
"THIS MONEY SHOULD BE SEND TO OUR ACCOUNT CLERK MR.PATRICK RINGNALDA,THROUGH WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER SERVICES OR THE MONEY GRAM TRANSFER SERVICES.THIS PAYMENT CHOICE IS DUE TO TIME FACTOR.
MAKE THE PAYMENT ON THE NAME AND INFORMATIONS AS GIVEN BELOW:
NAME:MR.PATRICK RINGNALDA
ADDRESS: ADMIRAALSTRAAT,104
POST CODE:1053 GW
AMSTERDAM THE NETHERLANDS.
KINDLY SEND THE PAYMENT SLIP TO ENABLE US ATTACH IT TO YOUR FILE.AND IN THE CASE THERE IS NO WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER OR THE MONEY GRAM IN YOUR COUNTRY,YOU ARE THEREFORE REQUIRE TO SEEK FOR ANY RELATIVES/FRIENDS OUTSIDE YOUR COUNTRY TO HELP YOU MAKE THE PAYMENT AS THE EXPIRATION DATE IS 30TH DECEMBER 2005."